350 plywood aquarium build

Hey!
Sorry, didn't realize there was a question posted! Let's see...
Yeah, the Krylon is still sticking really well to the liquid rubber. The bond is good enough I guess... I mean, it can be scratched off but as long as it's not intentionally attempted to be removed, it's good. The water doesn't seem to be causing it to deteriorate. The verdict is still out on the toxicity since I still don't have fish yet. That's another issue though. Yes, the tanks still water tight and has been for months. The glass is actually 16mm which is just slightly thicker than 1/2 so no, no bowing at all. It all seems very solid.
I had some issues with cycling. I went with the Fishless cycle and like everyone else, I got stuck on the nitrites part... I was processing about 4ppm of ammonia in about 12-16 hours but nitrites were upwards of 50ppm and nitrates were down around 5ppm. It was that way for... i dunno... 8 weeks?!? I read a few threads about it and suspected a stalled cycle so I drained and started over.
Im 4 weeks into the cycle again, and im at the same spot. lol
Ammonia goes from 4ppm to 0 within 12 hours... nitrites are somewhere between 25 and 50 ppm no nitrates to speak of... but in the meantime, plenty of copopods, weird little wormy things and critters of all sorts crawling over the glass so I think Im okay with the Krylon.
 
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Quit mucking about and get on with it. MILLIONS of us are watching and waiting to see this tank up and running. Try this stuff. It works great, and you can even put fish in the tank the same day.

Dave.M
 
Quit mucking about and get on with it. MILLIONS of us are watching and waiting to see this tank up and running. Try this stuff. It works great, and you can even put fish in the tank the same day.

Dave.M

:lmao:
Millions huh?
I should document my awesome DIY protein skimmer while waiting. This thing is the coolest friggin thing! I threw it together with a bunch of PVC parts and some acryllic. Honestly, it probably cost me less than 20 bucks but it works brilliantly! Problem is I never took pics of it before installing it.
Maybe that's something I can do today.

Dave... does that IO stuff really work? I'm getting itchy waiting for the nitrogen cycle to finish. lol
 
You gotta reseach algae scrubber. Its my favorite piece of gear. It' will suck up all nitrates phosphates and Im sure it even gobbles up nitrite and amonia as well. One thing I read about liquid rubber is that it gives off phospate. THats why I ended up going with west system epoxy. Got my box done tonight. 94.5x28x26 inside dimensions. Using 1" plywood. Once you get a scrubber on your tank with a good screan of green your nitrates and phosphates will disapear over night. Hope you look into it. I'd hate to try to run my tank without a scrubber. I got a ton of big fish in my 180 and I love to dump the food to them and I hate to change water. Having a scubber is the only way.
 
mrscheider said:
does that IO stuff really work?
It does indeed. If your phosphates are at zero then all you need to do is add a few bottles and turn your skimmer off for a couple of days to let the stuff spread throughout your tank and do its magic.

A large bottle does 75 gallons. If you want fish the same day you have to add enough bottles to meet the total volume of your tank. If you want to wait a few days you can add less (it's not cheap). I recently did a 220 gallon tank on three large bottles and had six fish, some shrimp and snails in it a few hours later the same day. All are doing fine.

Dave.M
 
Adding guppies or mollies would not speed up the cycle at this point. I already have the ammonia stage of the cycle completed. Adding a few guppies to a tank thats already processing 4ppm of ammonia a day will actually reduce my bio filtration capacity. I purposely dosed that much ammonia so that I could fully stock the tank on day 1.
I think my approach will be to do as close to a 100% water change as possible two days before I receive the fish and clean up crew. That'll get my nitrites down to roughtly .25-.50. Since the fish won't be producing as much ammonia as I have been dosing, the nitrites shouldn't spike up more than 5 or 10 ppm and even then shouldn't last more than a week or so.
I don't think it'll hurt to put in a bottle or two of the IO stuff either but I've read it should be refrigerated and the only pet store by me that carries it has it out on the shelf. For $20, I don't wanna take the chance that it's a bottle of dead bacteria.
Anyway, I'm planning to have the fish arrive on Friday the 26th. So that'll give me almost 2 more weeks for the cycle to complete itself and if not, Wednesday the 24th I'll perform a huge, collossal water change and then in they go!
:spin3:
 
mrscheider said:
I don't think it'll hurt to put in a bottle or two of the IO stuff either but I've read it should be refrigerated and the only pet store by me that carries it has it out on the shelf. For $20, I don't wanna take the chance that it's a bottle of dead bacteria.
It costs $40 a bottle here. I have never seen anyone store it in a fridge, always on the shelf. Like I said, I started a 220g with it and had fish in the tank the same day without any problems.

Dave.M

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Anyone seen a plywood tank viewable on 3 sides?
Is it possible
Corey

Yes it is. That's how I built my tank. I don't want to squat on mrscheider's thread though so I won't link my thread directly. Shouldn't be too hard to find especially if you look under my username and then click on homepage, hint, hint. ;)



mrscheider I think you promised us documentation on your DIY skimmer since you can't fulfill our need to live vicareously through your tank yet. Where's da pics man? :)
 
Cyclist.. first I have to give me compliments to your build. Quite awesome.

Okay, I decided to throw in some of that Bio Spire and since it tells me to shut down my skimmer for 48 hours, I took the opportunity to clean and document that build, best I can anyway, since it's already built.


Okay.. so here's a picture of the skimmer completed. A roll of paper towel for size reference.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/14713622@N02/8105880112/" title="2012-10-20_09-36-00_89 by mrscheider, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8053/8105880112_46ce86e190.jpg" width="281" height="500" alt="2012-10-20_09-36-00_89"></a>

The parts list is pretty simple. A 24 inch piece of 4"ABS. These are pre cut pieces sold at Home Depot. Just make sure it's a true 90 degree cut on both ends.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/14713622@N02/8105893130/" title="2012-10-19_21-29-43_929 by mrscheider, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8049/8105893130_2ba98b1899.jpg" width="281" height="500" alt="2012-10-19_21-29-43_929"></a>

I had a piece of thin acrylic laying around so I used a band saw to cut some 4.5 inch squares. I needed a total of three of those. One as seen below was glued to the bottom of the 4 inch ABS tube. I used the ABS cement to attach it which works great to attach the ABS with the acrylic. After that, I put a bead of silicone around the outside edge. To the right in the photo you can also see the rubber 4 inch to 2 inch reducer. You'll see where that goes in a sec.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/14713622@N02/8105865959/" title="2012-10-19_21-42-27_833 by mrscheider, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8105865959_81b17ee00d.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="2012-10-19_21-42-27_833"></a>

In this next photo you can see how I added the inlet (the top), the outlet (the bottom) and the airline and stone (the small grey tubing in the center of the ABS). This was allot easier than it looks. First I drill appropriate holes in the ABS. Then I used a 1 inch PVC adapter that had a male threaded end. That piece goes inside the 4 inch ABS and threads to a female threaded elbow on the outside of the ABS. I tightened this snug and again, sealed it with silicone. You can see this on inlet to the left in the photo below. Just a side note... it's easier to do this to the outlet BEFORE glueing the acrylic to the bottom of the ABS! :rolleyes:

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/14713622@N02/8105880400/" title="2012-10-19_21-41-30_755 by mrscheider, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8105880400_192755d62c.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="2012-10-19_21-41-30_755"></a>

After I had the inlet and outlets drilled and sealed I let them dry. For the inlet I used an elbow that had female threads on both ends. Seen above on the left of the ABS. I then used a male threaded hose barbed adapter to screw into the inlet and that conects to the inlet pump. For the outlet I added the 1 inch PVC so that it went to the proper height and returned the water to the sump. Buy putting the elbows on, it acts as a hook going over the edge of the sump to keep it stable when installed.


The solution for the airline was to use the ridgid tubing sold at Homedepot. It's in the aisle that has the tubing for R.O units and the water line for your refrigerator. This same aisle has the small plastic connectors for the standard air tubing we use for the air pumps. pictured below. What I did here was I threaded standard air hose through the ridgid tubing then attached the right angle adapter to the air hose.

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On the other end, I attached the wood air stone seen above. The whole assembly is installed into the ABS and it exits the ABS through a drilled hole and then connects to a Rena 400 air pump.

For the collection cup I used a 4 inch ABS coupler readilly available as is all this stuff, at HomeDepot.
The cup was probably the trickiest and some finess is required here. Here's a pic of it below.
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Okay... so what I did here was with one of those three 4.5 inch acrylic squares, I traced the size of the coupler onto it and cut the acrylic on the band saw so that it would fit perfectly over the end. In order to attach the cup to the skimmer I used a piece of 2 inch ABS I had left from plumbing the tank. I started by finding the center of the acrylic, I drilled a whole at center and using a rotary tool and sanding tip I slowly worked my way out until I had a hole that would snugly accept the 2 inch piece of ABS. I cut the 2 inch ABS to about 5 inches. Half way through the coupler and enough to connect to the skimmer. I then sealed that into the cup with silicone. Here is a close up of that. Note also the drain plug I installed so that excess skimmate could escape into an external container. I basically added a barbed adapter similar to what I did on the inlet.

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Now the only thing left was putting it all together. which is where the rubber reducer comes in. Pictured below, the reducer accepts the 2 inch ABS extending from the bottom of the collection cup. It's then tightened into place using the hose clamp.

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Similiarly, the above assembly is then installed at the top of the 4 inch ABS and also tightened into place with the hose clamp and that's it!

Pump in some water, adjust to get the level right, turn on the air pump and you're in business!

It works great! In fact, I later added the 3/4 inch drain to the collection cup because it was skimming so effeciently that the skimmate was lifting the lid off the cup!
 
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:lmao: I don't know what this is...

Of course I meant I have to give YOU compliments on your build!

My apologies!


LOL! I figured it out. And thank you very much.


Lovin' the old school air driven skimmer. If I had the space I'd probably do a 5' venturi skimmer. It's all about contact time which you'll have a nice amount of.
 
Sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but I am not so sure about the choice of materials for your DIY skimmer. ABS plastic is not stable enough for drinking water, which is what is usually used as a standard when plumbing tanks to ensure optimum water quality. As for the rubber reducer, you might want to rethink this as I'm not sure it will hold up for very long when exposed to salt water.

Dave.M
 
Sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but I am not so sure about the choice of materials for your DIY skimmer. ABS plastic is not stable enough for drinking water, which is what is usually used as a standard when plumbing tanks to ensure optimum water quality. As for the rubber reducer, you might want to rethink this as I'm not sure it will hold up for very long when exposed to salt water.

Dave.M

That's not being negative Dave.. you're being constructive. I get it. I didn't anticipate any issues using ABS. I've always plumbed my tanks using ABS and I've never had issues.
Admittedly, I had some concerns about the reducer too but it was $4.
I figure I'll just replace it if it shows signs of deterioration.
When I get an opportunity to upgrade to a high end skimmer, I will but this is definitly something folks can throw together quick and cheap and it gets it done. :)
 
Is the krylon still holding up? Ive got an 8ft tank built and plan on painting the inside of it like you did with krylon. Mine is done with west system epoxy so I dont think I will need that heavy of a coat. How many cans did it take to do the inside of your tank? Btw...awesome job on the diy skimmer! Very impressive.
 
Is the krylon still holding up? Ive got an 8ft tank built and plan on painting the inside of it like you did with krylon. Mine is done with west system epoxy so I dont think I will need that heavy of a coat. How many cans did it take to do the inside of your tank? Btw...awesome job on the diy skimmer! Very impressive.

Yeah, Krylons still holding up. I was able to do the entire tank with one quart of the brush on krylon. Not the spray can! Also im excited to say I finally have all my fish in!
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This was a nerve racking past week. On Sunday the 21st I was processing 4ppm ammonia in 16 hours. My nitrites were around 35ppm... way off the charts. And nitrates were not testing correctly. I suspect the API nitrate test results were being scewed by the very high trites because I did 3 nitrate tests at once. All exactly the same and I got three very different results. One showing no trates, one showing 20ppm and one showing about 140ppm!
All screwed up. Anyway, I was diluting the nitrite test 1/100 so i could get a reading on the test chart. I put 4 drops of tank water to 400 drops of fresh salt water and was getting a .25 reading. So, it was then I realized I had to do a huge water change. Near as I could to 100% water change.
Problem was... where was I going to put 300 gallons of water to declorinate and mix salt???
In the end I built a plywood tank to hold my fresh sea water!
Put it together on Sunday.. applied six coats of Pond Coat between Sunday and Tuesday and let it dry 48 hours before filling it with 300 gallons of water which I then mixed to the correct salinity, treated and then pumped into the main tank.
I have pics of it... but I haven't had a chance to upload those. I will soon.
Okay so after the water change, I tested and got my nitites down to 6ppm. NOW the nitrates were testing more accurately. On Friday morning all 14 fish arrived. I was showing 0 ammonia, 6ppm nitrites and 40ppm trates.
I drip acclimated them for about 90 minutes and put them into the tank.
They've all adjusted and seem to be very happy. There was one loss... a Raffle Butterfly who just didn't seem too good right out of the bag. He huddled in the corner the entire day.. looking very pale. by morning he had to be removed. Unfortunately, there was a guarentee restriction on him because they are such a sensitive species. I guess he succumed to the stress. But all the others are doing terrific. By Sunday morning, Ammo is still zero, Nitrites are at 0 and nitrates are around 60ppm.
Even though I added all 14 fish to the tank at once, the ammonia never spiked. The fish aren't generating nearly as much ammonia as I was adding and the bio-filter was easily able to handle them. Im planning on another 100 gallons PWC this week to get my trates a little lower.

I will try to get some decent pics and post... the buggers simply wont stay still for a photo!
 
Like the build, nice job. I too am interested in the krylon in the tank, wondering how it will hold up to the rasping of snails.
 
Glad to hear the krylon is holding up. I think my next build Im going to use liquid rubber too. Either that or im going to just coat the whole inside with silicone. Its amazing how far a tube will go! I did a test with it the other day covering a piece of plywood. I'll bet I could cover 6sqare ft with a tube that only cost $4. It was good and thick too. You really should set up an algae scrubber. Must be costing you a fortune for salt mix. I hardly ever change a drop of water and my nitrates and phosphates are allmost zero in my 180 and you wouldnt believe how many fish I got in it and how much I feed them. My tangs are all pushing 6-7inches and I think I got seven of them...then clowns,emporer,foxface,trigger, damsels..And they are fat lol!
Post up some pics please. Cant wait to see.
 
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