40 Gallon Breeder reef tank build...

[Cyborg voice on]"Resistance is futile..."[Cyborg voice off]

OK...so I know I said I wasn't going to get any zoas, and yet here I sit, with a zoa in my tank. I swear I don't know how it got there. One minute I was shopping for a spray bottle and some vinegar for my wife and a new screen door handle I had to fix. Next thing I know I'm putting this guy in my tank...

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Great choice!! Zoas make a beautiful addition to any tank! Enjoy!
 
Great choice!! Zoas make a beautiful addition to any tank! Enjoy!

Thanks...wife wasn't too happy to have me come home with one extra "thing", but she's starting to enjoy the reef now and I think she's starting to see why I am so obsessed with it. She now actually checks things out in it. She's coming around. For the longest time it didn't look like much of anything...certainly not something I should be spending so much time on. Now? I catch her watching it almost as much as I do. :D
 
Thanks...wife wasn't too happy to have me come home with one extra "thing", but she's starting to enjoy the reef now and I think she's starting to see why I am so obsessed with it. She now actually checks things out in it. She's coming around. For the longest time it didn't look like much of anything...certainly not something I should be spending so much time on. Now? I catch her watching it almost as much as I do. :D
Haha that's what I'm hoping my wife will do also. She always complains that I'm spending too much time working on the "fish tank"...she'll come around lol
 
Lol! It looks great. Glad your wife is starting to enjoy it as well. My husband is doing the same. He was even concerned about the amount of flow on the Duncan I just added. Mwahahaha....
 
My family couldn't have cared less about the "fish tank" until it started having some life. Once I added the clowns they were all concerned the water flow was too strong for them to swim in, and then worried that some of the hermits weren't alive, then wondering if one of the corals were getting enough light. LOL.

Where was this concern and support when I was "spending too much time" designing my sump, or the aquascaping, or getting a different light? LOL. Kind of funny just how much goes into creating a reef tank in the home, yet somehow they are supposed to magically appear, and not cost anything. LOL.

Its all good though...they are enjoying it now just like I wanted them too.
 
I knew firefish were jumpers, but wow. Somehow this guy managed to jump in my tank!

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shhh...don't tell anyone I'm not QT'ing. I'll tell you why I'm not later. ;)
 
Man, he is cool! I love how he blends into the substrate too.

Yes, he is almost impossible to see a lot of the time. Probably one of the most camouflaged fish I've seen. But he is very interesting. He is a sand sifter, scooping up mouthfuls of sand and sifting it for zooplankton.

VERY difficult to keep (right up there with Mandarins, if not even more so because he feeds on tiny zooplankton, not the larger copepods), but I've been spot feeding Reef Chili right into the sandbed and he's been eating it. Fingers crossed. He's got it better than in the tank at my LFS (where I work...so its kind of a rescue attempt in that they are almost impossible to keep in home aquariums...so he has as good a chance with me as anyone else).
 
I hope he does well, he's neat. He isn't a diamond is he?

No. Diamond Watchman Goby's are FAR easier to keep because they eat more of a variety of foods. Twin Spots are VERY difficult to damn near impossible to keep, but I'm trying to do my best for this little fella. He is STRICTLY a sandsifter for zooplankton (which are also almost impossible to culture, which is why he's getting Reef Chili).
 
40 Gallon Breeder reef tank build...

He is very cool but I have to ask.... What's the deal here? You're not following your original plan at all, not quarantining for some reason, and adding fish a whole lot faster than I expected you would (faster than everything we have both read says to do).

What gives??
 
I really want to make it clear to anyone reading my build thread, the reasons for my tank additions, especially without QT.

I understand the reasoning behind QT. I even have a QT, but haven't used it yet.

I work at Ace Hardware, but are a very large Ace with many departments. We have one of the largest Fresh and Saltwater sections of any pet store in the state and its growing all the time. After running two pet stores for years, I first got hired here part time to work in the pet department. I have since taken over the custom picture framing department as I am a full time professional artist.

There are tanks here that are my observation tanks. I do not feel the need to QT the selected fish I get because I've had them under observation for more than a month here at work. These fish (and the tanks they are in) are not under constant turnover (like many other tanks here are).

They are stable, well cared for and for the most part no different than if the fish I get from them were sitting in a QT in my home instead. I've watched them feed (even feed them myself), observed their health and behavior for at least four weeks here. These tanks are run with the same parameters as my home tank (temp, salinity, RODI topoff, etc.). When I get them, the trip home is a 5 minute drive. There is very little acclimation even required.

What is the purpose of a QT anyway? Aside from any treatment, if the QT is just for observation, then I've already QT'd them. This isn't as if I'm just trusting some LFS...this is my personal LFS.

I've studied zoology, biology and have a very close friend who is a marine biologist who I ask for advice regularly. We both believe that while QT is important in most cases, everything that can get any fish sick is already present and it is their immune system that prevents them from getting sick. Stress is the number one issue with any organisms health, not just humans.

So, after a month of close observation every day, personally by me, the fish I've wanted come home with me. There is a cost involved should I lose one or all of them, but I get them at cost. But that is not all that important to me as I'm more concerned with their health and well being.

So I'm not QTing them at home, but they have been under QT in a manner of speaking.

I've been adding Seachem Prime with every tank addition and monitoring my parameters. All are doing well. No spikes in nitrates and the fish are actually doing better in my tank than they were at my LFS, exhibiting all of their natural habits because they have their proper aquascaped space and places to do so. Both my Firefish and Twin Spot hang out by their caves they created and are far more active in their new home.
 
I really want to make it clear to anyone reading my build thread, the reasons for my tank additions, especially without QT.

I understand the reasoning behind QT. I even have a QT, but haven't used it yet.

I work at Ace Hardware, but are a very large Ace with many departments. We have one of the largest Fresh and Saltwater sections of any pet store in the state and its growing all the time. After running two pet stores for years, I first got hired here part time to work in the pet department. I have since taken over the custom picture framing department as I am a full time professional artist.

There are tanks here that are my observation tanks. I do not feel the need to QT the selected fish I get because I've had them under observation for more than a month here at work. These fish (and the tanks they are in) are not under constant turnover (like many other tanks here are).

They are stable, well cared for and for the most part no different than if the fish I get from them were sitting in a QT in my home instead. I've watched them feed (even feed them myself), observed their health and behavior for at least four weeks here. These tanks are run with the same parameters as my home tank (temp, salinity, RODI topoff, etc.). When I get them, the trip home is a 5 minute drive. There is very little acclimation even required.

What is the purpose of a QT anyway? Aside from any treatment, if the QT is just for observation, then I've already QT'd them. This isn't as if I'm just trusting some LFS...this is my personal LFS.

I've studied zoology, biology and have a very close friend who is a marine biologist who I ask for advice regularly. We both believe that while QT is important in most cases, everything that can get any fish sick is already present and it is their immune system that prevents them from getting sick. Stress is the number one issue with any organisms health, not just humans.

So, after a month of close observation every day, personally by me, the fish I've wanted come home with me. There is a cost involved should I lose one or all of them, but I get them at cost. But that is not all that important to me as I'm more concerned with their health and well being.

So I'm not QTing them at home, but they have been under QT in a manner of speaking.

I've been adding Seachem Prime with every tank addition and monitoring my parameters. All are doing well. No spikes in nitrates and the fish are actually doing better in my tank than they were at my LFS, exhibiting all of their natural habits because they have their proper aquascaped space and places to do so. Both my Firefish and Twin Spot hang out by their caves they created and are far more active in their new home.


For the benefit of those less understanding (some people are just stubborn or like to make waves) perhaps you should take to saying, "after 1 month QT I am now adding so and so". Essentially you are not QTing them "in a manner of speaking". You are literally QTing them, just under a different roof and on someone else's dime ;-). If they come in sick the store treats them, and the store pays to feed them for a month. Then, after their quarantine period is over, you bring them to their new home. Seems totally legit to me. So, for people reading in the future, just say that they have been QTed, because they have. :-)
 
He is very cool but I have to ask.... What's the deal here? You're not following your original plan at all, not quarantining for some reason, and adding fish a whole lot faster than I expected you would (faster than everything we have both read says to do).

What gives??

LOL...no I'm not following my original plan at all. My patience wore out, although everything in my tank has been carefully selected and observed for quite a long time. I'm just joking and being rather flippant about my additions. They aren't really as random or as sudden as my comments make them seem to be. LOL.

I've wanted those particular clowns, firefish and TS Goby for a long time now. I just left them at the LFS until recently. And I did purchase those exact specimens. Think of it this way...I have my own personal "diver's den". ;)
 
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For the benefit of those less understanding (some people are just stubborn or like to make waves) perhaps you should take to saying, "after 1 month QT I am now adding so and so". Essentially you are not QTing them "in a manner of speaking". You are literally QTing them, just under a different roof and on someone else's dime ;-). If they come in sick the store treats them, and the store pays to feed them for a month. Then, after their quarantine period is over, you bring them to their new home. Seems totally legit to me. So, for people reading in the future, just say that they have been QTed, because they have. :-)


Perfectly stated.

So very cool you have this option. But it's not fair to the rest of us. I knew you would catch up to me in time but had no idea you would surpass my additions so fast! I'm just jealous. I still have a few more days before my clowns are done with their quarantine and I can finally have fish in my DT.

No fair! [emoji6]
 
For the benefit of those less understanding (some people are just stubborn or like to make waves) perhaps you should take to saying, "after 1 month QT I am now adding so and so". Essentially you are not QTing them "in a manner of speaking". You are literally QTing them, just under a different roof and on someone else's dime ;-). If they come in sick the store treats them, and the store pays to feed them for a month. Then, after their quarantine period is over, you bring them to their new home. Seems totally legit to me. So, for people reading in the future, just say that they have been QTed, because they have. :-)

Good point. Yes, they have been QT'd. Just a different methodology I guess. Wouldn't want to ruffle feathers here (or is it "fins"? LOL).

Though strictly speaking, these tanks are not true QT isolation tanks. But, I personally feel that isolation in a bare tank puts more stress on a fish than the situation the fish I get are in. Obviously isolation does provide true quarantine (as the very definition). But I'm more concerned with stress than any disease or parasite itself. But that's me.
 
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