5 part (kind of classic)

[Eyore]

33.507 bicarb = 838grammes
30.785 calcium chloride = 770grammes
Magnesium chloride (converted to hexahydrate (203.2 / 95.2) 10.702= 267 grammes (balance)
1.19= 30 grammes (dose)
11.9= 297grammes total
3.992 sodium sulphate = 100 grammes
.761 Potassium chloride = 19 grammes

2 bottles, 8 litres of ro in each topped up to 10 litres

Obviously bicarb into 1, the rest into the other


I have copied this from a post of mine on a different forum. The idea is basically balling classic, but without the uncertainty of what an nacl free salt may contain and how that may drift ionic balance.
Currently it's around 200ppm out of balance, I could get this closer but part of the idea is to use trace element supplements (the trace b of BALLING lite probably) in much the same way as lite, however I don't want to duplicate too much.

Silly question- can the sodium sulphate go in the chlorides? I assumed yes, as magnesium sulphate can, but I am assuming, not knowing

It would not be a water change free method, however you wouldn't need to water change out ionic drift at anything like the same rate as 2 part

Thoughts?
Criticism even

 

[Eyore]

Might help if I post a little more Inc working out.

Ok to explain 2 part is 1 to 1 ratio, sodium and chloride. This is low on chloride/ high on sodium, it doesn't reflect nsw. No biggie really,but there is obviously more to nsw than sodium and chloride, this is what classic balling is, everything else required to make nsw out of the sodium and chloride leftovers. Except it just won't calculate to an equal positive and negative, not without dosing a bit of magnesium chloride to balance ( I think, could be wrong of course). At the same time the countless minor elements- it would be nice if the alchemy could be trusted, and they weren't just chucked in. But getting an nacl free salt maker to tell you what parameters his salt should produce once included with nacl, well to be honest , might be easier to make my own. (For example some recipe from some companies have a dose of magnesium chloride ( is this balanced to calcification or are the remaining chlorides required to create the new- I got no answer)
In one way this is kind of my workings towards that, in another it's simplified, do the minor elements really matter? Would water change of around 100 % gross per year maintain, without calculating dilution, I suspect yes, I also suspect having used 2 part without water change for 9 months, and knowing the massive dilution, that it's maybe not so important



So I took the following values

Chloride 19.4
Sodium 10.5
Sulphate as so4 2.7
Magnesium 1.280
Calcium 0.412
Pottasium 0.399
Bicarbonate 0.110


Sodium sulphate is 67.63 % sulphate. 3992 to create 2700, leaving 1292 sodium
Sodium bicarbonate is 72.63% bicarbonate. 151 to create 110, leaving 51 sodium
magnesium chloride is 25.53% magnesium. 5014 to create 1280, leaving 3734 chloride (anhydrous)
Potassium chloride is 52.45% potassium. 761 to create 399, leaving 362 chloride
Calcium chloride is 36.11% calcium. 1141 to create 412, leaving 729 chloride (anhydrous)

10500- 1292 -51 =9157 sodium @27.37% = 33456 bicarbonate

(The balance of this is 29274 calcium chloride dehydrate)

19400 - 3734 - 362 - 729 = 14535 chloride @ 63.89% = 22750calcium chloride (anhydrous) or 30135 calcium chloride dehydrate

So, no, still don't work!!

The chloride component missing so far is 63.89% of 30135- 29274 =861 or 650 (converted back to anhydrous)= 415, x 74.47% = 558 anhydrous mg chloride or 1190 hexahydrate

So
33.507 bicarb = 838grammes
30.785 calcium chloride = 770grammes
Magnesium chloride (converted to hexahydrate (203.2 / 95.2) 10.702= 267 grammes (balance)
1.19= 30 grammes (dose)
11.9= 297grammes total
3.992 sodium sulphate = 100 grammes
.761 Potassium chloride = 19 grammes

Into 10 litres to, I still think in 2 bottles

So is the conclusion it's impossible to balance to the numbers??

Anyway magnesium dose is down to about a fifth of the average this way

 

[bertoni]

Mixing the sulfate with any form of calcium likely will precipitate. I think that calcium sulfate is not particularly soluble.

 

[Eyore]

I did not know that, just had a look at the solubility of calcium sulphate.

Ok so back to 3 bottles

Thanks for the advice

 

[bertoni]

You're welcome!

 

[Eyore]

Another question

Sodium sulphate is soluble in water to 4.76 g/100 mL (0 °C)
42.7 g/100 mL (100 °C)
So would I get 100g into 10 litres at room temperature, let's say 15 degree c in winter nights?

 

[disc1]

If you can get 4.76 into 100ml at 0 C then thats 476 g in 10 liters. That's at 0C. If you raise the temp you raise the solubility, at least in the case of sodium sulfate (not true of calcium carbonate but that's another story). So your 100g should go easily even at 0C since 100g is less than 476g. At 15C it should be even easier.

 

[Eyore]

Oops, late at night over here!

Good point well made! Lol

Hard to explain why I was a full digit out (well I can't tbh)!