5' Skimmer Build in Progress

KW Diffusor
Mike, I made my KW as a square box. You'll need to read the link on Snailman's site for this to make sense. The directions on Snailman's website have you make 4 of the sides out of cross-cut basswood, and the top and bottom out of something like 1/2" thick plank. I made all 6 sides of mine out of cross-cut 2"X2" basswood. My skimmer was 4" in diameter and that was the biggest box I could fit down the pipe past the inlet. That comes out to 12 in^2 of BPSA per inch of pipe radius (neglecting the area lost to joints), and that was enough for me.

The biggest square that will fit in a 10" pipe is 7" X 7". A 7" box would be a rediculous amount of BPSA, IMO. Plus, its got to fit up past your outlet and or down past your inlet. If we plug in the number from my skimmer (12 in^2 BPSA per inch radius), that comes out to a box with 3.2" X 3.2" sides if all sides are basswood. So based on my experience I would recommend at least a 3" box for a 10.5" skimmer, or an equivalent amount of BPSA. Theres no need to make the diffusor a box, it can be any shape where the edges can be glued and you get enough BPSA.

A couple of notes here. Basswood swells when wetted and the sides go way out of square. That was probably why KW used slightly oversized planks for the top and bottom of the box, to make glueing easier. I used bridge clamps to smash mine together when glueing, and used a thicker CA that would fill the gaps. When you cut the basswood, I'd used a bandsaw or something gentler than a chop saw, to avoid burning the pores in the wood shut. You'll need a drill & tap to put in your fitting, and I always CA'd my threads before scewing the fitting in to get an airtight seal at the threads.

I want to add that IN NO WAY am I recommending a wood diffusor as outperforming a synthetic diffusor. I was just saying that I got longer life out of mine than people generally say you can. That probably came from filtering the input air very well.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6575382#post6575382 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RandyStacyE
I am going to do basically the same thing (shape a cone). It looks like you used approx 1/4" acrylic. Once adequately heated, just how tall of a cone do you think one could make?
I was thinking of trying to make a cone that is quite tall. I imagine thicker acrylic would be necessary for a "real tall cone", but I already have 1/4" acrylic. I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t want to waist a nice piece to experiment if I could get a little input first.

I did not see a noticeable impact on material thickness. I think that is part of why I struggled to get it to shape. I did see a shrinkage of the outer edges by almost 1/2 inch. Instead of stretching the material out of the center to form the cone, I relaxed the material around my mold thus keeping most of the original thickness. To be honest I was a bit afraid that manhandling the hot acrylic would cause it to rip. That is why I really shied away from forming it to aggressively.

Dale
 
Good info Howard. I will keep it in mind next time I am at the wood store. I may give this a try. But for now my next project is twist lock flanges. Thanks DonW.

Dale
 
Having doubts

Having doubts

Originally I was very excited about making this type of skimmer, but I am having my doubts. The costs are beginning to add up:

$100 for the PVC pipe, air stones, uniseals, etc
$200 for a decent air pump: it seems that the only way to go with any quality is
with an Alita-type pump as the whitewaters are both noisy and not reliable
$100 for a decent recirc pump - maybe an Eheim

Now that is $400 - which is close to the price of a decent medium quality store bought ps - or a good used one. I know you can get by with less money, but I have bought lower quality stuff too many times and ended up buying the quality item later anyway.

I would still like to give this thing a go - any thoughts?
 
The recirc pump is not a necessity. In fact with airstone generated bubbles it is making little difference.

I am still not sold on commercial units. They get away from the basics in favor of convienience. That is fine if it is needed, but if you have the room I say build the best you can. Volume and height are important factors in my mind. The volume needs to be matched to your feed rate goals. A small tank may be well suited to the short undercabinet skimmers.

Dale
 
Got a question. On my big cc skimmer I was thinking of a way to inject ozone and I can't seem to come up with an idea. Any ideas?
 
Ozone could be injected into the air intake. This may have a negative effect on wear pasts, but I am not sure. Ozone could also be injected into the water input of the skimmer, I am not sure how efficient this would be. I imagine a venturi would be needed to do any good at all.
 
I never really thought that the point was to save on the setup price... it's that it runs on a 10W airpump as opposed to a 100W water pump.

G1
 
If I hooked it to one of the main airstone lines, the primary pump would overpower the little pump on the ozone generator and maybe even push air backward through it. I think.
 
Where exactly is that on these linear piston pumps? There is a plastic shroud with a nipple on the back but it sure doesn't feel like it sucks air from there. There is a black air filter under it but somehow it doesn't seem like a "true suction".
 
Aint my boyz.... I am Cowboys guy. In any case there is no way that Pittsburgh can lose (unless they self destruct). I would like to see a good game, but don't think it will be one.
 
That is the air intake... you should have it plumbed into an air filter like we talked about before. A HEPA filter will really extend the life of the pump and stones.
 
yeah, unfortunately the Superbowl is usually a strange blowout. Like one team has been drugged. I always think about fixed boxing matches when I watch the Superbowl.
 
Now obviously from my location, I'm a Ram's fan! Not much of a year for us and a lot of bad health issues. But anyway, didn't it seem a little funny after 9-11 how "The Patriots" came out announced as a team (America stands togather!) and then they won when at the time we were hot. The Rams came out looking like someone drugged them even before they started playing. Maybe the Patriots played loud music outside the Rams hotel all night before the game! :lol: Makes you wonder. And the streak they've had when the country needs to unite? Hmmmm
 
Dale

It has been over a month since your last update - is it still up and runnin?

And, since you are a true DIYer, what are your plans for your next skimmer? :)
 
It is still running. Rather well actually. My skimmate has aquired a nasty ammonia smell to it. I am still planning to add a twistlock flange and the formed acrylic transition, but work has been in the way of life for the last month.

No plans for a "next" skimmer. I want a DIY CNC machine. I have been studying CAD in my spare time. In order to use a cnc, you must have a CAD file to cut.

Learn CAD, then CAM, then build CNC machine. Then hobbyist fantasies of commercial DIY....

Dale
 
Well, I finally got mine finished. Seems to be working well, but the bubbles in the top tube go up in the center of the column and down along the outside. Plenty of skimmate, so I guess I should be happy.

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The tube on the left will be an ozone reactor, and the little tube on the right is my kalk reactor.
 
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