500G (84X48X30)- NOW REAL !

Just so you all know and realize, that even a sucessful tank is not without the same problems other's encounter.

A few months ago I found out that I had the dreaded AEFW. !! Inspite of being careful with dips and inspection, I guess some of the eggs must have sneaked in. It took me a while to realize that the reason for some color loss and blah look on a couple of corals was due to AEFW.

Once I learned to recognize the signs for AEFW on a coral, it quickly explained some of the problems I was attributing to lower alkalinity.

There was no way I was going to tear down the tank, frag and dip and destroy the corals like I have seen a lot of people do. After consulting with several of my friends who I have been in the hobby for a long time, I decieded that the best strategy is to live with them, but stay ahead of them by making yourself thier main predator. These friends of mine have very nice tanks and you cannot tell that they have flatworms.

The strategy was to blast the corals regularly with a water jet form either a turkey baster or a small powerhead. When the flatworms get blown off they get eaten by the fish. The larger ones are really easy to blow off the coral. They tend to hide towads the base and lower branches. The 2nd mode of attack was to seek out any potential egg masses and get them out of the tank, especially since the smaller ones are harder to blow off the corals.

Here is a picture of the mother lode of all AEFW eggs.

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Now my maintenance tasks have one more task added to it. Every 3-5 days I go in with a turkey baster and knock off some flatworms. In the begining I was doing this daily. Now I only get a couple of few comming off the corals every 3-5 days. This keeps thier numbers in control and the damage is minimal. It sucks having to add an extra chore, but doing this has made me more in tune with the coral's health and better at spotting damage before it get out of control. Also, having larger coral helps.

On the brght side, it have opened up a lot more people that I can now trade with - I was avoiding them since I knew they had flatworms.

My advice.. if you are really paranoid you should set yourself a quarantine tank and be absolutely strict about what goes into your tank. If you do get them, and can remove your corals easily, then put them in quarantine. Often times the treatment will kill the corals faster than the flatworms will. If you do get them in an established tank, then learn to live with them. There are a lot of successful reefers around the world that have beautiful tanks and are living with the flatworms.

sanjay.
 
Thanks for that Sanjay. I treat and QT all incoming corals for quite some time, but I have to admit there's a very real possibility that that all sorts of pests can make it into my system. Smething else to note is that there are fish that seek out flat worms, and I have seen LFS with specialized wrasses in their SPS tanks.

This is also the reason why I am more accepting of buying and trading small frags. I used to only want to buy large colonies, but this has bitten my butt more than once with nasty hitch-hikers like acro eating crabs, that just can't be found even with vigorous inspection. I have also noted a much higher degree of these pests on maricultured corals. Not sure what possible explanation there would be for that.

Great photo of the egg mass!
 
Sanjay:
The tank looks great. Impressive growth.

I know you had posted earlier that you are using three lumenarc III reflectors with 400W mogul lamps. But I couldn't find what ballast or brand/color temp. of lamps. In these last set of full tank shots, what ballasts and lamps are you running?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11147999#post11147999 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Phantom Phish
Sanjay:
The tank looks great. Impressive growth.

I know you had posted earlier that you are using three lumenarc III reflectors with 400W mogul lamps. But I couldn't find what ballast or brand/color temp. of lamps. In these last set of full tank shots, what ballasts and lamps are you running?

I am using Icecap Electronic Ballasts with Giesman 400W Coral Lamps.

sanjay.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11148292#post11148292 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by spazz
a friend of mine told me that there is a new treatment for the AEFW's that is doing very well but does not affect the corals like the fluke tablets or the levemisol did. here is a link to it.

http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewI...um_Supplies_Additives_Coral_Dips~vendor~.html

That link is taking me to a non existant page.

What I have found works well in kocking them off corals is TMPCC and Coral Revive. I used to use TMPCC but it is a harsher on the coral than Coral Revive. THere is another one CoralRx or something like that that seems to be similar to Coral Revive. These are pinesol/fir oil based.

sanjay.
 
Wow Sanjay!
Your aquascape with the coral columns, makes your tank just pop out to me. very natural and open! Keep up the great work!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11147891#post11147891 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
I used to only want to buy large colonies, but this has bitten my butt more than once with nasty hitch-hikers like acro eating crabs, that just can't be found even with vigorous inspection.

We don't buy or accept colonies any more (not for over a year+ now), frags only. If we do end up with a maricultured piece, or colony (that we just cannot pass up for whatever reason), we frag off the base. This loses 10% or so of the coral but helps to ensure a healthier tank (which is more than worth it). In essence, nothing "dead" makes it into our tank. No frag plugs, rocks, bases, etc. In our experience AEFWs won't lay eggs on live coral tissue. The dips should take care of everything else (except for the eggs). So getting rid of any part that could possibly contain eggs is the logical next step.

So the only pieces of any acquisitions that go into our tank are the live pieces. If the colony is so big that there are nooks and crannies that cannot be adequately inspected for eggs, etc, then the whole colony gets fragged to small enough pieces that can be properly inspected.

So fragging and removing any bases then dipping is how we try to keep these pests from our new tank (we learned our lesson, as many others have, when our previous tank was wiped out of it's acros by these monsters).

And we have never had a loss from TMPCC, and we dip long and strong (almost double dosage for 30% - 50% more time than recommended), and we turkey baste periodically throughout the dip. But we have heard good things about Coral Revive (which is what I believe Spaz was trying to link to)
 
Yeah, I would guess that removing the base would be a good idea. I have only done that in severe cases, but I do see your point.
 
Sanjay,

Thank you for having honesty and integrity to post up about the AEFW's. I know many people wouldnt have mentioned it...especially in a thread where TOTM is being mentioned by several people.

On a different note,

Where can I find info on Coral Revive, Sparks?

Nick
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11150885#post11150885 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by maxxII
Sanjay,

Thank you for having honesty and integrity to post up about the AEFW's. I know many people wouldnt have mentioned it...especially in a thread where TOTM is being mentioned by several people.

On a different note,

Where can I find info on Coral Revive, Sparks?

Nick

I could care less about TOTM.. I think its important to share problems since that is where most learning takes place. I want people to realize that these things can happen to everyone. Dipping is not a sure proof way of making sure you wont have this problem. STRICT QUARANTEE is the only way.

Also, I want people to realize its not the end of all worlds if your tank is infected with AEFW. There is no need to be tearing out your tank. It can be managed. I have several old time reefers who have AEFW and they have shown me that it can be managed with some extra maintenance tasks. It it can be managed in a 500G reef, or in Joe 20,000G reef.. surely it can be managed in smaller reef tanks. Sharing and discusing experiences is the only way to learn.

As for Coral Revive.. Its a Two little fishies product. So you can get the info you need from their website or contacting them directly.

I am going to go ahead and post some top down close up pics.. so you can see that corals can still look nice and colorful and grow like gang buster inspite of AEFW in the tank.

sanjay.
 
Sanjay PLEASE PLEASE keep up updated on a good basis about how the AEFW soultion that you are going about works and the effects by doing it this way works out long term. "Basicaly everytime you blow off and what not explain what you did and how you see if theres a diffrence in the corals color and PE by doing it this way each time". Thanks for such a amazing tank and all the research that you do for this hobby it is MUCH appreciated
 
Arent there some fish that can eat AEFW's? I seem to remember this being mentioned... like those clingfish that eat parasitic snails on clams.
 
A lot of fish will gobble them up as soon as they are free floating in the water. Fish that will specifically hunt for them - I do not know which ones. People claim wrasses will do it. eg. leopard wrasses, halichoris wrasses, but I have not seen this with the leopoard wrasses and radiant wrasse that I have.

I have a feeling that acro crabs may eat them off the coral, but I don't have enough acro crabs to verify this.

sanjay.
 
sanjay the stuff that my friend uses is the Coral Revive. she says its some awesome stuff for the flat worms. but she is not sure what it does for red bugs. she used the coral revive with zero deaths from the use of it, and its very cheap to buy.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11151238#post11151238 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sanjay
I could care less about TOTM.. I think its important to share problems since that is where most learning takes place. I want people to realize that these things can happen to everyone. Dipping is not a sure proof way of making sure you wont have this problem. STRICT QUARANTEE is the only way.

sanjay.

Sanjay, I agree w/ you wholeheartedly. But its still a refreshing attitude because not many people would do or feel the same way.

Once again, thank you...

Nick
 
Totally agree with you on that one Sanjay
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11151238#post11151238 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sanjay
I could care less about TOTM.. I think its important to share problems since that is where most learning takes place. I want people to realize that these things can happen to everyone.

sanjay.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11154497#post11154497 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sanjay
I have a feeling that acro crabs may eat them off the coral, but I don't have enough acro crabs to verify this.

There was alot of speculation that the LRB treatments that wiped out most of the acro crabs is what set everyone up for AEFW infestations (IE: That the acro crabs helped to keep the AEFWs from getting a foothold on the acro). That was disproven though with multiple people with acro crabs (sometimes more than one) living in AEFW infested colonies (Adn aparently doing little to nothing about the infestation).
 
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