6 clowns in a 120 ?

Just my experience, but i think you can have several in a tank at once, as long as they were all juvi's to start with so only one morphs into the larger female. There is a difference if you introduce all adults however and death may incur due to dominance realted issues. Take a look at my ~300+ B&W's in a 40breeder for 1.5yrs, 0 deaths ;) (Given they will not be in there forever, just growing out a little). Water quality maintenance is also huge, as siphoning waste is a daily task, for those wondering about a healthy environment.

-Anthony

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I believe the OP wanted his fish to be in the tank long-term, not just used as a grow-out tank as you have. There is a large difference here, and unfortunately many don't see it, and I feel the need to point it out so others don't see your picture and think they can do this by purchasing a dozen clowns at the LFS, thinking they will live happily ever after in their tank for many years.
 
bues0022: I never stated or implied that I was an export I just answered the OP question. I did not tell him to put more then 2 clowns in his tank I said it is not 100% true if you put more then 2 clowns in a tank they will kill each other. This forum is for people to ask questions and hear from peoples experiences good or bad.
 
I'm not going to do it so... but I am going to get ether , ORA Midnight (A. ocellaris), ORA Domino (A. ocellaris) , or ORA Premium Snowflake (A. ocellaris) not sure yet I like them all . I think the snowflake with one of the others will be cool .
 
I'm not going to do it so... but I am going to get ether , ORA Midnight (A. ocellaris), ORA Domino (A. ocellaris) , or ORA Premium Snowflake (A. ocellaris) not sure yet I like them all . I think the snowflake with one of the others will be cool .
I'd say look into a ORA Premium Snowflake and ORA Extreme Misbar Black Ocellaris...:beer:
 
I don't believe same clutch matters, people say this because they have seen it done this way so many times that it defeats the RC dogma. When there are too many clowns in a tank for territories to be established or for one clown to be singled out the clowns do not fight. Six clowns will not give you this in a 120. If you have an anemone the dominate clown will take it and defend it and eventually take a mate. If there is a large group of clowns they will exist as a satellite school - this happens in nature. This is an over simplification but you will start to see the dynamic. With say three clowns in the tank a pair will form and sometimes even without fighting the third clown of the same species will isolate itself even from feeding and die. So there are times when different species are an advantage for multiple clowns. I could give you examples of what has worked for me in the past and why but there are lots of variables, lots of techniques that work and lots that do not, this is why people just say no it can be done so often. With multiple anemones I have added a pair for each anemone with the larger more dominate pair, always a different species, added second. I have also added a school small of clowns of the same species to fill an empty anemone with a different species pair in a different anemone. The school makes it too hard for the dominate pair to figure out who to go after, a large second anemone also helps the school avoid a bad result. Something may have to be done as the school matures depending on factors as already mentioned. Now please ignore those angered by these observations. They have made statements to the contrary many times and we all know what experts they are. One last observation, when adding fish of any species to tank where you suspect trouble may occur it helps to acclimate the fish for few days in water from the same tank to keep that fish from being singled out by smell. Example a tank with a Niger trigger leaves the four blue damsels in the tank alone, add a couple of new ones and the new ones are hunted down by smell as intruders and eaten. This also helps when adding new clowns. I add these comments as I have done these things and have had them work peacefully in tanks for several years without a problem. Occasionally i try something that does not work, i make observations and try to learn what I can from these, it happens and the occasional set back is not sin - some self righteous poster will disagree of course... I will start worrying about it when corals and fish live as long for my detractors as they do for me.

- Mark
 
I'm not going to do it so... but I am going to get ether , ORA Midnight (A. ocellaris), ORA Domino (A. ocellaris) , or ORA Premium Snowflake (A. ocellaris) not sure yet I like them all . I think the snowflake with one of the others will be cool .

I sure like those snowflakes, if I didn't have my picasso's already that would be my choice.
 
Yes they are. I think a snow flake along side a black of some sort will look cool.
It would be cool to see a black with the white like a snow flake.
 
- some self righteous poster will disagree of course... I will start worrying about it when corals and fish live as long for my detractors as they do for me.
- Mark


The only righteous poster on here is you buddy.. :lolspin: Can't take anything too serious..

But it is irresponsible to suggest to anyone that multiple clowns pairs can be kept in a single tank that isn't over 200g (maybe even 300g or 400g). There are plenty of threads on RC that have multiple pairs in the same tank.. NONE WITH ANY SUCCESS.

Please start a thread and document your efforts of multiple pairs in one tank, it will give everyone asking this question an answer.. It never works longer than a year or two in a smaller thank, at least I haven't seen it yet...
 
But it is irresponsible to suggest to anyone that multiple clowns pairs can be kept in a single tank that isn't over 200g (maybe even 300g or 400g). There are plenty of threads on RC that have multiple pairs in the same tank.. NONE WITH ANY SUCCESS.

I think you missed Mark's point. And I don't think we're necessarily talking about multiple pairs, just multiple clowns.
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When there are too many clowns in a tank for territories to be established or for one clown to be singled out the clowns do not fight. Six clowns will not give you this in a 120. If you have an anemone the dominate clown will take it and defend it and eventually take a mate. If there is a large group of clowns they will exist as a satellite school - this happens in nature. This is an over simplification but you will start to see the dynamic. With say three clowns in the tank a pair will form and sometimes even without fighting the third clown of the same species will isolate itself even from feeding and die.

Multiple clowns in one tank rarely works unless you have many. How many is many is up for debate. Mobert has 27.
 
Notice you're not going to see anyone that has been on the boards long reading comments over the years that is going to agree w/ this type of advice, because it's just bad advice.
And giving more than one nem does nothing, except take up coral space.
Many clowns will just take both/all 3 or however many you put in there, it's not going to keep mature clowns from displaying their natural instincts.
You experimental guys that think you know better than anyone else do what you wish w/ your own tanks, but advocating others to follow in your footsteps is just bad advice and irresponsible reef keeping.
 
Mobert's thread is the exception, that is why it is a sticky.. Ask mobert about putting multiple clowns in the same tank and see what advice you get.

Show some evidence that this can work long term and prove me wrong!
 
Show some evidence that this can work long term and prove me wrong!

I'd like to up the ante on this, and say the evidence must be on a more global scale, not just one-off experiments/experiences.

I've done things in my tank that were against the grain, worked for me at that time, but I wouldn't do it again, and wouldn't recommend it either. Just by saying "it worked for me, so it can work, and you should be fine" is taking a fairly narrow-minded approach. Not only knowing, but realizing the spectrum of outcomes to this topic will lead to only one conclusion that I've seen thus far: don't do it long-term.
 
You experimental guys that think you know better than anyone else do what you wish w/ your own tanks, but advocating others to follow in your footsteps is just bad advice and irresponsible reef keeping.


You have a half of a valid point here. When I say these things can be done and be done repeatedly if done with an understanding of the variables involved I am not advocating that everyone try this. I just object to the absolutes and attitude of the responses. You are not warning away by saying correctly that this can be difficult and you are not saying that the majority of people who try this will have trouble and then following up with why it works for some people and why it often fails. You are speaking in absolutes that I know for a fact are not correct. This is how RC devolves into dogma that is often incorrect and sometimes very incorrect. I have had two laying pairs in the same tank more than once without problems and I am currently building a tank that is a much smaller tank than what I have done this in in the past. I am hoping to share this as a demonstration that some people will use to connect the dots others will not. Don't you think it is bit silly that I can come into one of these boards and have people less experienced, less accomplished and most certainly less educated kid themselves by trying to talk down to, ridicule or dismiss me. This has little effect on me but imagine how defeating it can be to an excited new reefer who wants to try something.

You are right in calling me experimental, I set tanks up in ways that are contrary to current trends and sometimes use lighting systems that no one else is using and more often than not quite successfully. I like most reefers occasionally have system giving me troubles but I am running over a dozen different tanks right now and i have a day job. This is how I know many if not most of the absolutes that dominate these boards are incorrect.

My goal is not to find expensive ways to keep reef animals it is to find more eloquent ways to do what we do and to expand what can be done.

- Mark
 
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