A Living Room Reef: 90 Gallon Mixed Reef Build

All right everybody. I'll take a few ideas for new fish additions if you want to try and convince of what to pick up next. :idea:

Currently we have: 2 clowns, 1 YWG, 1 Tailspot. Currently getting towards the end of QT is a new Purple Firefish to replace the one we lost while on vacation.

We're hoping to start up a new round of QT later this week once we move the Purple Firefish. So you've got a couple days to caste a vote and try to sway our ideas :lol2: :strooper:
 
Yellow Tang or Kole Tang

That's a good call and definitely on our stock list. We've been expecting to add a Kole tang at some point. I see YT's in almost every salt tank I've ever seen. My concern was that we are still planning to add a few more smaller and possibly more timid fish. Do you think aggression would be a concern in the future with a Tang if we were still planning to stock heavier on the smaller fish side?

I've just read occurrences of Tangs being more territorial/aggressive and was thinking it would be best to add our largest fish towards the end of stocking. Most likely a Tang and maybe one other similar size fish (pygmy angel maybe) would be the largest fish we are planning. The rest are going to be more on the small/peaceful size. Please let me know if anyone's experiences with Tangs speaks otherwise. I was kind of planning based off my freshwater experiences... smaller/timid/less territorial fish first... then larger or more aggressive fish at the end. But I've never kept any of these yet for the most part and am still learning aggression behaviors and such from reading and not from experience.

We are still considering a harem or small school of something too. I'm not sure if that's the next step yet or not. But I think we're getting close to that maybe.

But there are lots of choices of ways to go with a 90 DT and all our filtration if we are sticking with smaller and less aggressive fish with just one or two larger fish.

Definitely a good call on the Kole Tang though. I'm just hesitant to add it now because of size/aggression concerns as we add things later on. :thumbsup:

And there is no wrong answer here. DisBeReef and I are trying to decide on what to do. So I'm just doing some data mining here and crowd sourcing some ideas to see if a GREAT idea surfaces from the ether :idea: :dance:
 
My Kole tang is a punk and chases a lot of my fish, though not relentlessly. The YT ignore other fish except the neon goby, who they constantly beg to get a cleaning from. Results vary, of course.
 
^^^ Very similar to what I've been :reading: elsewhere. Thanks for confirming :-)

And of course results will vary. But based off the general consensus. It's probably best to hold off on the Kole Tang until a bit later.

It always was my plan to add a Kole Tang as the last or 2nd to last fish. I never expected our Tailspot Blenny to keep algae in check completely in that big of a tank. He's just a cool addition to help until a bigger cleaner-uppper can be added at the end.

Any other ideas more on the smaller reef fish side? (best small harem or school for a 90 gallon?) Anybody ever kept multiple shrimp gobies in a system? Just a thought I've been toying with. Still open to any and all ideas. But probably leaning towards the smaller/school size at this point in the list I guess.

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Do you have a neon Goby? If not I would try to get a mated pair, they are a lot of fun to have around and actively clean the larger fish.
 
Do you have a neon Goby? If not I would try to get a mated pair, they are a lot of fun to have around and actively clean the larger fish.
I would second a NG pair, they are fun to watch. Also have you thought about adding a wrasse? I love my fairy wrasse and he is a model citizen. You could also have a herum of a male and two females. The only problem with wrasses is they like their pods, so if you want a mandarin or lots of pods then a wrasse may not be the best idea. In saying that, I've got stacks of pods in my DT but they know that they can only come out at night when the wrasse is snoozing.
 
I like my male and female Lyretail Anthias as well, but you have to be prepared to feed frozen and flake together at least twice a day until they "accidentally" start to like flake, or pellets, or whatever non frozen food you feed.

Oh, midas blenny has worked very well for me, and blue eyed cardinals as well. I have a school of six that almost always hang out together.
 
So I started this reply last night. Ended up leaving it until this morning because I got distracted with that pesky work stuff....

Do you have a neon Goby? If not I would try to get a mated pair, they are a lot of fun to have around and actively clean the larger fish.
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I would second a NG pair, they are fun to watch. Also have you thought about adding a wrasse? I love my fairy wrasse and he is a model citizen. You could also have a herum of a male and two females. The only problem with wrasses is they like their pods, so if you want a mandarin or lots of pods then a wrasse may not be the best idea. In saying that, I've got stacks of pods in my DT but they know that they can only come out at night when the wrasse is snoozing.

These are all good ideas and definitely the types of things I think we're looking for right now. I definitely do not have a Neon Goby yet. Are those the same as the "Cleaner Goby?" How long have you had yours for? If they are the same thing, I thought they were tough to keep because they naturally take to parasites and usually end up starving out in captivity? Definitely a thought worth considering though. I'm pretty sure I've seen them for sale around here a couple times. Not as often as other things though.

As for the Wrasses you asked about Fishy. That is where we might be headed. Our thinking is that it's probably easier to maintain a harum then mandarins because they will take other food besides the pods more easily. Plus, as we've learned. We need more open water column swimmers. It's easy to find rock and sand dwellers in a super peaceful reef tank. So we might change routes and leave the Mandarins out and opt for a harum at this point. At least that's the latest line of thought. :thumbsup:

I ran into the same issue with a harum though as the Tang. I feel like I should add a harum further down the line and add a few other things before "the gang" and "the big fish in the tank." Thoughts?

Here's a question on stocking based off those ideas. What would the consensus be on something like 2 Clowns, 1 YWG, 1 Tailspot, 1 Purple Firefish, with future additions of: 1 Red-Line Wrasse, 7 (or smaller school) Blue-eye Cardinals, 3 or 4 Flasher Wrasse (harum) and a Kole Tang in a 90?

We've also tried putting 2 different Royal Gramm's through QT. They make it through treatment both times and then die in our 10 gallon holding tank. But other fish make it through fine, so I'm jinxed on RG's and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. But one of those is a possible addition as a single fish that could be added in or left out to the above list.

Way to many fish in the long run when they're full grown? Could we still fit another small wrasse or peaceful goby type fish in the above set up. Which is more of an acceptable amount for a 90? We do have lots of extra filtration with the 75 gallon fuge loaded with extra Live Rock and DSB. So I'm mostly concerned about size/space and territorial aggression if it's to crowded. My best round-a-bout guess would put the above list at approximately 50-60 inches fish at their full grown size. Which I would expect that to be fully stocked probably once you take out coral space and rockwork/sand from the 90 gallon tank.

I like my male and female Lyretail Anthias as well, but you have to be prepared to feed frozen and flake together at least twice a day until they "accidentally" start to like flake, or pellets, or whatever non frozen food you feed.

Oh, midas blenny has worked very well for me, and blue eyed cardinals as well. I have a school of six that almost always hang out together.

We've discussed Anthias a few times. We typically end up leaning away from them just because of future size. We have lots of single fish and were looking for a small group of medium/small fish. We figure we could keep more small Wrasse or other fish then Anthias I think. There really aren't many that are small enough to be a small group in a 90, right? But there are a few we like and would consider if they could be swapped in for the Wrasses or something in the stock list I was just thinking about.

We've talked about a Midas blenny as well. But we have the YWG and other similar body shaped / color of that fish. So we were looking for a different color pattern mostly over the Midas blenny. But could fit in like the Royal Gramma. If there's extra room in that potential list up top, either of those could be an extra addition to round out the tank.

I think Blue-eye Cardinals are our choice for a group of small fish. I'd love to have that contrast of a group of smaller fish. And I think the silver simplicity in a group could be a great contrast to all the other fish in the system. So I'm 90% sure we will be adding a 5-10 group of Blue-eye Cardinals to whichever stock list we end up heading towards.

I think them (Blue-eye Cards) and the Kole Tang are maybe locked into the plan for now. It's the other small / medium fish we're looking for now I think to mix around what we have those planned fish. So info on a harum of Wrasses or keeping the Red-line with a small group of Flashers. Or other possible options to mix into the above list. The Anthias could be possible if there is small version we could use like the harum of Wrasses.

So good brainstorming and ideas! :thumbsup: Thanks for throwing the thoughts around with us. What thoughts does everyone have on the options listed here?

If a modified version of that list looks like a good / right # of fish. What combination sounds like it would work the best in your experience? :wildone:
 
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Well, thank you to all who participated in generating some fishy ideas for us. :fish2: :thumbsup:

Markalot, much appreciated video shares and such! It was awesome to see them in action.

But we can close the debate for now... at least until we are ready for the next round :-)

We've got our next additions ordered. So hopefully we can get them in soon and start our QT process on them. After all this, we finally ended up settling on ordering 3 Zebra Barred Dartfish.

We are still expecting to go with a group of Blue-eye Cardinal fish at some point in the near future I think. But these look like they will be a good addition. Another small, but hopefully rewarding group to add some liveliness to the open water areas.

I think the LFS should have the group of them in for us sometime next week... can't wait until the next time I can make a trip to the LFS :beachbum:

I also did a few maintenance updates. Replaced all the pre-filters and DI resin in our RO/DI unit. So we're officially back to 0-tds top off water and stuff! That will hopefully help with the bit of green GHA algae bloom we're getting. So new ATO barrel mixed at 1/2 tsp per gallon with 0-tds RO/DI. And soon we'll have an almost 30 gallon h20 change barrel ready to go as well. Time to take a bite out of GHA.

Interestingly though, the Tailspot Blenny is still doing it's thing picking away at the rock work. Rampage's belly is so big... I worry it will eat itself to death! :facepalm: But at least it's fat, happy, and healthy looking. Rampage also enjoys hanging out around our clown fish pair. Anytime they are out and around, he's usually pecking away near them on the rockwork. I'm super glad we added in a Tailspot. A pretty awesome little reef fish!

Tested the big 3 this morning after getting the new kalk/ato barrel running last night. SG was at 1.025 :-) As it should be.
Mg = 1290 (same as it's been for a long time now)
Alk = 8.9 (has been slowly dropping from when it was up almost to 10, I think I'm looking to keep it level between 8.2 and 9.0 somewhere. Or where ever it decides to be level and happy I guess)
Ca = 425-440 (plunger squirted out 2-4 drops. So it's in that range which is where it normally tests)

That is that for now. Back to work I go :headwallblue:
 
Well, thank you to all who participated in generating some fishy ideas for us.
Was pun intended there troub?:lol:
We've got our next additions ordered. So hopefully we can get them in soon and start our QT process on them. After all this, we finally ended up settling on ordering 3 Zebra Barred Dartfish.

Mr. Saltwater tank raves about these fish. Very underated apparently.
 
Was pun intended there troub?:lol:


Mr. Saltwater tank raves about these fish. Very underated apparently.

In your case Fishy, yes, the pun was intended :thumbsup: :dance:

Well, the Purple Firefish is in the 10 gallon tank hanging out for a few days until we can get the SG levels up to match the DT. LFS keeps water around 1.022/23. So they go through tank (bucket) transfer method starting there and we slowly work our way up to 1.025. This usually ends up happening over 3-7 days while we observe in the 10 gallon QT and makes sure the new addition is eating, healthy, and ready to go fight it out on the reef.

On other exciting news... DisBeReef left work a bit ago to head over to the LFS and get our delivery of Zebra Barred Dartfish. So they should be starting up the bucket transfers this afternoon! :thumbsup: I'm really excited to see about getting all these into the tank :-)

I checked out Mr. Saltwater's video you linked me to Fishy. Pretty good stuff he was saying about them ZBD's. It has me even more excited for them now. I think they are a great choice to fill in some empty swimming space in the tank. Kind of funny he talked about 2 fish I'm planning to add since he mentioned the Yellow-eye Kole Tang too. I must just have a taste for under appreciated and more rare fish :dance: :lmao: Who wants the things everyone else has... other then healthy corals, fish, and shrimp :facepalm: of course.
 
Ok boys and girls. . . and anything else that might be out there watching. We don't want to discriminate here :bum: Time for just a few photo updates I guess on where we are at with the corals.

Things are ok. We've got a big algae bloom again that we're trying to handle and adjust for. I'm thinking this is potentially the sticking point for the SPS in our tank. In general, all the LPS/blastos/mushrooms/etc seem to be doing ok still. Not seeing tons of new heads spouting every which-way. But they seem to be happy.

I'm also happy to report the Green Pocci and Purple Stylo still seem to be just fine and have almost constant PE.

The Milli is alive and DisBeReef says it's had some PE during the daylight hours. But anytime I see it, it's fully retracted and has me a little worried. The tips look like they had a bit of die off maybe and grew a little algae beard on each tip that I turkey-bast off. But the flesh elsewhere seems to be thick and colorful still. So I'm hoping it's not going to disappear all of the sudden.

Our blue or purple acro is kind of the same boat as the Milli. No algae beards, but I can't decide if it looks ok. Seems to be pale or bleached in some spots maybe. Or I'm just paranoid. I'm still learning to read the corals and it was pale with a blue hint when we got it. I do see more PE on it then I have since we put it in. When I get home from work. The top little bit has some polyps that are almost always out. But the rest stays sucked in :-/ I'm hoping the whole piece decides to follow suit with the top little bit!

We did a 15 gallon water change the other day. So I'm still hoping the new RO/DI water in the ATO and this water change starts to make a dent in the algae. I've also been running 4 tsps of GFO in a mesh filter sock and changing it each week or week-and-a-half. Been doing that for a couple rounds, but now I'm out of GFO and will order a bit more next time I package up some supplies.

Enough jibber-jabber from me; onto the pictures!

- Duncan after getting a spot of food dropped on it.
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- Green Pocci still looking the same. I count that as a win :-)
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- Green-skinned Birdsnest looking partially fuzzy. It's like this a lot. But I also see it way more fuzzy then this a couple times a week depending on when I view the tank.
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- See, we've got a bit of PE going on for this acro. I'm hoping things continue to move in this direction and we see it continue to improve.
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- My favorite Blasto looking like a fat, happy, piggy coral. You can't see it in this shot, but this piece is starting to develop a green/yellow inside to it's mouth too :-)
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- These mushrooms are extremely tough to capture their true color, but this is a pretty good look at the texture of them. They have more yellow to them then appears in this shot.
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- And to round things out this time, we've got a few shots of our newest green blasto. I was able to grab some shots that show it off really well and are pretty accurate to what it looks like in the tank. Maybe a hint of more yellow just on the outer edges.
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And there you have it for now. I did test Alk this morning a day or so after the H2O change. Alk was at 8.9, just like before the water change and holding stable there... for now...
 
It just blows me away looking at how far you've come in such a short time Troub :) Those corals look very nice especially that green blasto :thumbsup:

I'm glad to see your targeting that stubborn algae that's still on the rocks. Do you have hundreds of baby snails on the glass after lights out, if not maybe think about grabbing 20 -30 turbo snails to get a breeding population going. Once you have a good cycle of snail sizes constantly coming through you will notice them have an impact i'm sure.

I have always firmly believed that large amounts of algae in the tank will taint the water and shut down SPS to the point of harming them just as certain corals such as sinularia do. I would be running at least 2 cups of carbon in bags if i had your water volume and that much algae present along side SPS.
Just something for you to think about when you're wondering why the SPS are struggling yet the LPS are doing quite well in comparison.

Yellow tang - get one ! :D
 
It just blows me away looking at how far you've come in such a short time Troub :) Those corals look very nice especially that green blasto :thumbsup:

I'm glad to see your targeting that stubborn algae that's still on the rocks. Do you have hundreds of baby snails on the glass after lights out, if not maybe think about grabbing 20 -30 turbo snails to get a breeding population going. Once you have a good cycle of snail sizes constantly coming through you will notice them have an impact i'm sure.

I have always firmly believed that large amounts of algae in the tank will taint the water and shut down SPS to the point of harming them just as certain corals such as sinularia do. I would be running at least 2 cups of carbon in bags if i had your water volume and that much algae present along side SPS.
Just something for you to think about when you're wondering why the SPS are struggling yet the LPS are doing quite well in comparison.

Yellow tang - get one ! :D

Hey there Biggles, thanks for the tips and the complements! It is all very much apprecited! :beer:

The tank is not anywhere near perfect yet. But I agree with you. I think we're definitely on the right track as things seem to be steadily improving most of the time.

I've gone from not being able to keep any SPS... to being able to keep selective SPS happy and almost keep some of the more demanding stuff. Still working on sorting the picky stuff out right as you noticed :-)

But LPS for the most part seems to be firing on all cylinders right now. At least the pieces we have. They are either growing new heads, or generally getting larger and deeper coloration. That could be the nutrient issue though causing the deeper coloration of things. But I like deeper color better then pale/bleaching color. So I count it as one step better then 6 months ago :-D

Definitely getting more and more enjoyable and less frustrating then the first year of having the tank set up though.

I haven't had good luck with snails. I've seeded multiple groups of snails into the tank over the last year and a half and I can't seem to get a stable reproducing population no matter which type I try. I see them lay eggs and such on occasions. But then all the adults die off and I never see any new babies. At least for the algae munching snails. We've got lots of little theiving Nassarius running around trying to steel stuff from corals when we feed. They discovered the Favia is easy pickings for them more then the blastos. :uzi: But you make a good point. Maybe time to try adding some snails back in. They definitely helped make a dent last time.

To combat algae I've been running a filter sock and cleaning it weekly. I've had 4 small scoops of GFO running in the sock that I dump with the weekly cleaning and replenish. I've also been heavily turkey basting the rocks once or twice a day to keep the algae from making a sandbed on top of my rockwork.

Since I'm running a mixed reef, I assume I will always be running carbon. I have 2 cups of carbon :-) (nice recommendation you had there) running passively in a mesh bag. I usually change out 50% of the carbon during water changes (15 gallons every 2nd or 3rd week). We're expecting to do a 30 gallon change over the upcoming holiday weekend. WOOO, 4 days off. My first days off in 19 straight days of work! Another reason I haven't had many updates on things lately.

OT $ = LFS shopping spree I think!!! :beer: :smokin:

If only I could spend it on SPS :-/ I'm wondering. What recommendations would you (or anyone else) have for SPS to try next. Obviously I'm going to hold off on Milli's, Monti's, or Acro's right now until the one or two I have start doing better. But are there other types similar to the Pocci, Stylo, Birdsnest which have great PE and seem to be good that might be more tolerant of my nutrient battle right now?
 
Also, feel free to call out any LPS types you think I might have a good spot for. Looking to slowly add diversity a piece or two at a time. But I just have to pick and choose the appropriate hardiness until I can finish getting nutrients/algae settled down.

And I would LOVE to add a Tang right now. But I will refer you to the previous discussion when we were trying to figure out the next fish to stock. A Kole Tang will most likely be our last stocking choice. We want one but due to size/aggression when compared to our other stock list choices it needs to come more towards the end. We're working on getting our other fish in. But a Tang will probably be the largest fish we add. So we're trying to get the more timid fish in right now. That was partially why I modified our stock list to include the Tailspot Blenny. A helpful little algae muncher that is always busy on my rockwork and has a belly so large I'm worried it's going to eat itself to death! Hopefully we'll have a few more fishy additions soon!

We got a Purple Firefish though TT and into the 10 gallon QT. But there is something on it's side and I'm not sure what. Could be a damaged scale or something from moving him. I doubt it's ICH. We followed TTM protocols correctly. It looks like a small, clear, oval shaped bump on it's side. Almost semi-transparent. Since we did TTM and dosed Prazi-Pro on 2 transfers. I am a little lost for what I could be seeing. I was thinking the damage scale kind of from transferring maybe. He was a little bugger to move around. Or I was wondering if some type of predatory Isopod could be attached to it and made it through TTM and Prazi-Pro?

Anyway, great to hear some advice from someone with your skill again. You're getting closer and closer to helping me have colorful stick in our tank! :thumbsup: I'm looking forward to seeing how this Peninsula shapes up on your end!
 
Hey troub, as to that clear thing on your firefish. It sounds like the parasite that I battled with a while ago. Does it move around the fish? If it is the same thing then the way I got rid of them was a freshwater dip.
 
is once a week enough to clean a filter sock? Or would twice a week be better?

Marty

To combat algae I've been running a filter sock and cleaning it weekly. I've had 4 small scoops of GFO running in the sock that I dump with the weekly cleaning and replenish. I've also been heavily turkey basting the rocks once or twice a day to keep the algae from making a sandbed on top of my rockwork
 
Hey troub, as to that clear thing on your firefish. It sounds like the parasite that I battled with a while ago. Does it move around the fish? If it is the same thing then the way I got rid of them was a freshwater dip.

I'll try to get a video of the Firefish swimming around tonight. Maybe someone will be able to tell what it is. I'm not sure what it will look like or if it will show up on video/camera. But I'll give it a shot.

From what I've noticed, it has not moved around on the fish. It seems to stay in the same spot on it's left side.
 
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