A pair of EcoWheel tanks in the making

What brand of pump do you guys use. The original eco-wheel was designed around a Thomas air pump Model 5120S. I use a 240V 50Hz version of the same model.
When I had my last pump looked at the technician should me the acutator, which floats between 2 large magnets, there was a certain amount of wear, on one side, which he said was caused, the acutator magnet not being properly balanced. This can be a problem with this type of pump and it is the luck of the draw on how a particular pump will go.
The thing I don't get it was cheaper to buy a new pump than replace the acutator and purchase a replacement diaphragm pump.

After the drama I went through last time ( my pump always failed at night) I keep a spare pump handy.
 
Greetings everyone,

Well, where do I start? I guess itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s probably best if I start off by reiterating something that I have tried from time to time to pass on to old and new hobbyists alike. A little something that more times than not has served me well in nearly two decades of this hobby. However, with that said and much to my own embarrassment, one needs to actually take their own medicine for it to truly be effective because like nearly all humans of the species I am susceptible to periods of complacency that has proven that it will indeed come back around and bite me in the butt.

So friends and fellow hobbyists listen to me when I say: ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œMr. Murphy does not phone ahead to schedule an appointment for a visit.ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚

My ordeal all started with my grandmother (whom raised me and was living with me) passing away August 10th after 2 very long and grueling weeks in the intensive care unit of our local hospital. She had been ill or some time and we all knew the end was near, but nonetheless; it was a very emotionally and physically draining period ending with a phone call in the middle of the night and a drive to the hospital for one final good bye. However, I do get to count my blessings that I was able to be there with her those last few hours and that she passed as peacefully and comfortably as possible.

Fast forward a week to this past Tuesday, the very night my mother, my girlfriend and myself were sharing a dinner in my grandmotherââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s honor, I come home to find a very ugly, and untimely noise coming from the EcoWheel air pump and a pair of tanks that had little if no flow. Luckily for those around me I was just too emotionally drained to do much more than shift into damage control and start trying to correct the problem.

I think I had previously mentioned that I was planning some maintenance on the tanks over my August vacation, but that had been put on permanent hold given my current family situation. Enter Mr. Murphy who with one little wave of his hand managed to turn everything on itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s ear and put me right back into the aquarium game whether I was prepared for it or not.

So, after disassembling the pump I discovered that one diaphragm was completely ruptured and I was running solely off the other diaphragm. This was just enough to inject a bit of air and move a small amount of water, but not nearly enough to create any real flow, let alone turn the wheel.

To make matters worse, and for reasons not readily apparent, after reassembling the pump I was further dismayed to find that I now had absolutely no air coming out of the pump whatsoever. So, too tired to tear it down again, I shifted gears and grabbed some powerheads. A half hour or so later I had restored water movement, and everything looked to be holding itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s own. At this point there was little more that I could do except head to bed and try to get some sleep. (OK. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ll confess to giving the wheel a couple of spins in an attempt to keep the algae wet when I awoke for a middle of the night bathroom break.)


The following morning (Wednesday) I phoned Aquatic Engineers and was promptly greeted by a pleasant female voice on a recorded message prompting me to enter my partyââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s extension or leave a generic message and someone would get back to me as soon as possible. I did as instructed along with a follow-up email explaining my predicament. I crossed my fingers and prayed this would be the one time Chris would be in the office and checking his messages.

I then phoned Inland Aquatics looking for Morgan Lidster who had mentioned some time previous that he had a couple pumps he had picked up from a university that had torn down their EcoWheel tanks after a relatively short period. Morgan said he would have to look around and get back to me but if he had one he would part with it for around $400.00. Not exactly a home run by any stretch of the imagination, but at least I was speaking to a live person who was attempting to help a fellow reefer out.

At this point, knowing that I had some pending maintenance on the EcoWheel I decided to make the best of things and pass the time draining, disassembling and removing the filter box. I then placed the wheel itself in a Rubbermaid trashcan filled with water from the tank. Around 4pm Wednesday evening Morgan called back to advise he could not locate any spare pumps. However, he did mention that he had rebuild kits on order and they should be there in a week or two.

First thing Thursday Morning I got on the Internet and checked out Aquatic Eco-Systems looking for any kind of pump that might work. I hit pay dirt as they carry the Sweetwater line of linear diaphragm pumps that appear to be mechanically similar to the one supplied by Aquatic Engineers.

http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.detail/iid/21789/cid/3844

After looking at the output numbers I selected model # SL170 and had it FedExââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢d next day air. Cost was $626.00 with an additional $90.00-something for overnight delivery. I crossed my fingers and went back to working on the tank. The major project of the hour consisted of cutting Ã"šÃ‚¾Ã¢â"šÂ¬Ã‚ off the bottom of the filter riser box to try and compensate for my reef tank settling somewhat lower than the rest of the system. An hour or so later mission accomplished and the filter box was set back in place sans the wheel which was still soaking in the trashcan. Later that evening I also performed a 10% H20 change and surprisingly everything still looked OK

Friday around noon there was a knock on my door and much to my surprise I was greeted by a FedEx driver asking me to sign for a delivery. Amazingly, a mere 24.5 hours after I hung up with Aquatic Eco-Systems I had the new pump in hand. Unfortunately, I was nowhere near ready to reassemble the filter.

Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s at this point that I need to mention that one of the nagging problems I had been dealing with recently was a systematic leaking of numerous bulkheads. Definitely not something I was planning to let go. So, while everything was apart I pretty much began implementing plan ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œBââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ which was the sealing of all Influent and Effluent boxes with 2-part liquid epoxy. (I had a bunch of the stuff left over from the pier piling fabrication) I literally mixed and then poured liquid epoxy resin into the bottom of all the boxes until the stuff was even with the top of the bulkheads. It was a relatively simple procedure that appears to have solved my problem quite nicely. Unfortunately, the draining, scraping/scrubbing and drying of the boxes prior to was anything but a simple procedure and accounted for about 90% of the necessary time and labor. (Something like 2 hours total per box)

As the last of the epoxy was hardening I began reassembling the EcoWheel, re-connecting the plumbing, and re-filling everything with new water. Somewhere around 9pm Friday evening I flicked the switch and literally held my breath as I listened to the pump come to life. Miraculously, the system fired up and began moving water. Even more amazing, the wheel not only began rotating, but also started moving at double the speed that it did before the crash. (2 rpm vs. 1 rpm)

However, even though everything is once again running smoothly, and as of this writing everything appears to have made it safely through the crisis, I need to mention a few crucial points of interest; the least of which being that I lost several established SPS colonies just prior to the pump failure. And up to this point I had no idea what the cause of my problem was. All I knew was that every two or three weeks another colony would begin a slow bleaching that would last anywhere from a few days to several weeks. The first to go were the extremely small or tightly branched Acroââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s followed by my plating montiporas. Surprisingly, the more robust or open branched Acroââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s, along with my Hydnophora, Pavonas, and cherished purple-tipped Acroââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s were all unaffected. Looking back now, Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m starting to think that given the current pump failure I was probably experiencing a reduction in pump performance prior to the failure, but didnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t notice it because it was occurring over an extended period of time.

So, as much as it pains me to say this, I just ordered a pair or Tunze Turbelle 6000ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s, the matching electronic controller, the photocell module, and a pair of mounting magnets. Hopefully, if all goes well they will be installed sometime next week. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m doing this not because I have lost hope in the merits of the EcoWheel, itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s just that I think it comes up a bit short on water movement if you have a somewhat larger tank and intend to stock heavy on the SPS end of the animal spectrum. Also, given that this system was originally designed in the mid 90ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s the thinking at that time towards water movement was somewhat different than it is today. I still have no doubt that if you intend to keep softies or LPS it will serve you well for many years and meet your needs day in and day out. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m just choosing to hedge my bet with some accessory water movement given the likely hood of another pump failure.

So whatââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s the morale to the story sports fans?

1. Have a back up plan and be prepared for the absolute worst-case scenario. This means stocking a spare pump or pump rebuild kit, spare light bulbs, multiple gallons of makeup water, spare powerheads, etc.

2. Donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t allow yourself to become complacent in your hobby.

3. My experience (and that of several others) has shown that youââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢re not going to be able to count on Aquatic Engineers to get back to you in what I would consider a timely manner, so be prepared to go it on your own. (Note: Chris did call me back and leave a message Friday morning apologizing for the delay in getting back to me and letting me know if I hadnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t already found an alternative solution to give him a call. I canââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t remember what his reason was for the delay because at that point it no longer mattered to me. I just canââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t help but wonder if he can now be reached at extension #4 on their handy dandy automated phone system who is at extensions #1-#3 and why couldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t they call me back?)

4. With regard to item #3 above donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t sweat it because with the exception of the pump, light bulb and or lighting unit itself there is very little you would need A.E.ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s help with. The filter assembly is built like a tank and in my experience there is little or nothing that would need to be replaced. (I did notice I had a bit of scoring on the bearing shafts, which I am guessing, came from my use of sugar sized sand, but I was able to polish them out with some abrasive pads and a Dremel motor tool. Otherwise everything is still in tip-top shape.

5. The life span of the EcoWheel pump appears to be in the neighborhood of 2 years, give or take.

6. There may be a question of decreased performance and subsequently, decreased water flow, as the pump nears the end of itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s lifespan.

7. The Sweetwater II #SL170 appears to be a suitable replacement pump. Although, about 25% larger, it seems to put out about the same amount of performance at a decibel level equivalent to itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s predecessor and carries a rating of approximately 3 years of service. Rebuild kits are also available.

8. Inland Aquatics should have EcoWheel air pump rebuild kits available very shortly.

9. You may need to investigate the use of accessory powerheads depending on the type of animals you wish to keep.

10. Keep at least one spare standard size plastic trash can on hand at all times because the algae wheel will fit nicely in one allowing you to keep everything wet for however long you may have the system apart.

11. Leaky bulkheads are not the end of the world if you can find some 2-part resin and are willing to spend an afternoon doing a bit of work.

12. Aquatic Eco-Systems are very cool people to do business with.

13. And lastly, spend as much time with your loved ones while you can.

Happy reefing

.ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦Brett
 
Brett, That explains why you needed a day or two to respond. I guess I better start by ordering the pump rebuild kit right now. I wonder if there is a way to gauge what the flow rate is out of the eco-wheel so you would be able to gauge performance of the air pump?

I think if I ever need assistance with my eco-wheel, I'll either try RC or perhaps contact or inland aquatics or Mission Pet Mart in KC. I don't know if Mission Pet Mart has spare pumps, but at least they do have a method for contacting Chris.

Sorry for your losses.

Matt...
 
Brett,

sorry for your personal loss, and the headache of recovering from the pump casualty.

You may be able to improve the reliability of these type pumps by pre-filtering them with a small, 3M Filtrete Ultra Allergen HEPA air filters. These remove particulate in the 1 - 0.3 micron range and are available at Lowes/HD. Of course, you'd have to enclose the pump and pull the air intake through the HEPA filter. I use a HEPA filter for my MEDO AC02s. After the 1st year of service I took them apart for inspection and found them to be very clean, and the MEDO filter was clean and did not need replacing. Since you are moving just a few CFM through the Filtrete filter, it will last years maybe decades.

I've had good luck with my MEDO AC602s (prefiltered) and I can recommend the Medo AC-series for this type service. If you are a diligent shopper on eBay you can sometimes get good deals on slightly used ones and even new ones. These will likely be in the 1-2 CFM range, not as big as what you are using. And they'll be noisier as they have no noise-dampening casing. But maybe for a back-up pump that does not break the bank...

I know you aren't looking for advise after-the-fact, but maybe someone else using air can use it. Once again, sorry for your troubles.
 
Thanks everyone for your thoughts and kind words. I guess there is some truth to what they say about the stuff that doesn't kill you making you stronger.

Howard, thanks for bringing up the Medo's... now that you have jogged my memory I vaguely remember discussions on those some time back.

Obviously, everyone will have to go with what they think will work best for them with regard to both performance and price. At the very least having a few options to choose from certainly won't hurt. Although, it sure would help if these air pumps didn't require you to take out a second mortgage to get your hands on one.

Caevan, Since you seem to be the only one who has had to deal with a rebuld kit would you mind sharing with the rest of us how difficult it is to do or what is actually involved in the process?

Brett
 
Firstly Brett I am sorry for your loss.

Replacing the diaphragms is a farly simple task.

Firstly I am asuming this is the pump you are using

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This is a Thomas air pump Model 5120S

This is the Thomas web site http://www.rtpumps.com/

The pump is actually made in Japan by Yasunaga Air Pump Company

http://www.fine-yasunaga.co.jp/english/home/environ/index.htm

I purchased my pump directly from the local Australian Thomas distributor for
AUD$405.00 =USD$303.00

To rebuild the pump remember to leave the pump to cool before working on it, as the internals can be quite hot.

You need to open the unit and remove the housing lid. You should see a plastic diaphragm housing screwed to either side of a metal box which houses the acutator.

The rebuild kit should come with two diapragms with the plastic housing.

Replace one diaphragm and housing at a time.

Unscrew the the first housing and removing the rubber hose that is attached to it. This will expose the diaphrgam which is attached to the acutator with a small nut, before removing the nut note how much of the acutator thread is protruding from the nut, when attaching the new diaphragm I would not screw the nut in any further than it previously was.

Allign the new diaphragm onto the actutator and scure it with the nut.

Screw on the appropriate new housing (from memory they are marked and left and right) and reattach the rubber hose.

No do the other side.

The rebuild kit also comes with a rectangular black piece of material the same size as the base of the pump.

The acutator box and diaphragm housing sits on a flat metal plate which is attached by a number of screws to the base of the pump.

Remove the screws and lift the metal plate from the base, you may need to us a flat blade screwdriver to prise it apart, it should not require a lot of force, if it does you may have missed a screw.

With the base exposed, you will find it is covered with a similar black material to the one in the rebuild kit, except after a few years of operation it has become stiff and brittle and next to impossible to remove. This is supposed to be some sort of filter.

Remove the black material, this can be quite time consuming,as you will find it will be quite brittle and attached to the base in places. I had to scrape some it off.
I would then thoroughly clean and vacuum the base before replacing the new black material( it is quite easy to allign in place) and screwing the metal plate back.

Before replacing the pump lid, look at the top of the metal box housing the acutator, in the center there should be a small plastic disc with a slot which would take a flat blade screw driver. This is the safety switch, when the pump fails the switch may be thrown in the off position, double check it is in the on position before replacing the lid.

If all goes well turn the power on to the pump and it should start. If it does not come on double check the safety switch.
 
Awesome info Caevan, that's definitely worth saving for a rainy day. Appreciate you taking the time to write that up.

Brett
 
Matt was that quote from Morgan at or From Chris at A.E.? For some reason I had it in my memory that those kits were like $150.00 so that's a better price than I was expecting

On a side note, when I was speaking to Morgan he kept talking about the algae seed screens. I think he had me confused with someone else. You perhaps?

Brett
 
Yeah, that's me he was probably referring to. I'm still fooling around with my temp problem. I moved a fan directly under the lights, and set my neptune controller to shut off lights if the temp > 81 - 81.5 degrees. Lights are still going off. PITA. I've ordered a venting kit for the lumenarc hoods, should have them by next week. Basically I'll seal in the base of the lights with glass, then attach two adapters onto the top portion of the hoods. I'll daisy chain the lights together and blow and suck the heat hopefully right out the house.

Once that heat is settled, i'll be ordering screens from Morgan. I was told not to worry about a seed screen from the store in KC, they recommended just heavily stock the tank and it will grow. I just don't want to go to fast and risk losing livestock though.

As far as the pump kits, I contacted the company Caevan listed above. It took them a day to get back, but they have the kits in stock in a Wisconsin plant. You can find a local dealer from their webpage, and they'll look up the rebuild kit for you.

Matt
 
The whole seed screen thing is kinda a catch 22. If the tank is not stocked there won't be enough organics to kick start the algae and it will be a slow grow until it gets a foot hold. And if there is no algae you have to go slower stocking the tank.

I'm perplexed by your heat issue though because I've haven't encountered anything like you describe.

My current mid-day lighting consists of:

2x 250w DE Reef Optix III pendants
4x 54w T5's overdriven on an IceCap ballast
1x 70w IceCap MH Spot pendant
2x 13w PC's

Ventilation is a pair of Orion fans blowing into one end of the reef canopy at something like 80cfm each. Then directly above each ROIII, as well as above the spot pendant, I have a pair of 5" circular vents cut into the top of the canopies to allow heat to vent upwards. That's pretty much it.

So far the system runs about 1 degree over ambient air in the am, and 2 degrees in the pm. With the current summer heat I have the AC set to 79 which puts the tanks at 80/81 from morning to night.

Wish I had some additional insight for you.

Brett
 
Well one problem with my heat probably has to do with the design of my hood, it's totally enclosed. I have basically a 2x8 hood, where a partition separates my eco-wheel from the tank. My venting system is three 6" holes on the back side, one as close to the top as possible (top of hole is 2 inches down) with a 110 CFM fan exhausting to the outdoors while the other two are evenly spaced and about 2 inches above the top of the tank. I have 2 x 50-60 CFM panaflo fans blowing in the tank from these other holes. (Good thing they are quiet).

Like I said before I did disconnect one fan and placed another inside the hood directly over the tank drain blowing across the water and under the lights.

The tank gets around 77.5 degrees just prior to the three halogens coming on. One thing I haven't done is move a fan under the power compacts for the eco-wheel. I wouldn't call the area above the eco-wheel air tight, some light escapes into the tank at night which I'll remedy soon. I have a 110 volt fan that came with the eco-wheel hood I'll have to move down but I'm fairly tight for space above the eco-wheel so I'm not sure how I'll do that. I might just cut a hole in the top of the hood and blow in.

Are your T5s as cool as they say? I don't have actinic supplementation yet, and obviously I'd rather stay away from the VHO heat (as well as shorter bulb lifetime).

Appreciate your insight and help.

Matt
 
matt & pam said:
Are your T5s as cool as they say? I don't have actinic supplementation yet, and obviously I'd rather stay away from the VHO heat (as well as shorter bulb lifetime).

Not really. I'm overdriving mine so they are pretty warm. You really can't feel any radiant heat coming off of them per se, but as soon as you touch them you know they're there. About the same as when you put your hand on the air pump

Strange, my canopy is sealed front, end and back and only open on the end adjacent to the EcoWheel. The other canopy is sealed front, end and rear and open to the EcoWheel on the opposite side. So both hoods when combined with the center section form one giant hood if you will. The only exception is that the center section is open in the rear and of course the vents in the top.

My only guess is that with you using 3 bulbs to my 2 it must be just enough to bump those temps up.

Just for kicks why don't you try opening up the door to the cabinet with the airpump in it open and blow a fan on the pump for a couple days to see if that has any effect. With my cat taking a liking to the air pump cabinet my door is always open so the inside of that cabinet is relatively cool.

Brett
 
im gonna make a varyation of these to go in my sump type thing.
cant deside on spraybar to power it or a mix of bubbles under it. or both anyways it will be small like 1.5 ft long and 8 inch diamiter. but hey better then just an empty spot
 
Either way will probably work. I think rigging it so the overflow from the tank turned the wheel would be the way I would go.

Brett
 
yeah this thread has helped me alot in the design of new tank.

iv been quoting this page. sending ppl to it when they get bio and eco wheels mixed.


thank god for ppl with money to blow on a filter or i would never know about this
 
Hi, been meaning to jump in for sometime now. I have been reading about the Eco-Wheel ever sence FAMA did a story on it back in 98 to 2000 ( somewhere in there). I live in Indiana and have yet to see on in action. I have emailed AEI SEVERAL times over the past 2 years and have never ever gotten any reply, phons don't get an answer eather. I thought that maybe they went bellyup.
Does anyone know of a dealer in North Eastern Indiana, Southern Mich, or North Western Ohio? I'm at the point of just making my own, but I don't want to be busted for someone elses idea/product.
I still have to make my own corner box's. I have a 110 tall with drilled corners. It was set up for 1" bulkheads so I'm useing 1-1/4" PVC pipe fittings. Running the pipes together in the tank out both holes and running them together under the stand into a 2" fitting to make a circle. Both feeds will be in 1 corner in the overflow, the pipe runnig to the other corner will be silled through both box's. For now I will use a sump, but the setup can be changed over to the Eco-Wheel easy enough.
Before I heard about the Eco-Wheel, I was going to have an air-lift tube dump water in a bio-ball box which would dump into a teater toter scuber. The scuber would dump water in each end of the tank to make the waves. The Eco-Wheel seams like a much better idea than a scruber or dump box which sounds like a tolit flushing every few minutes.
Well anyway that was my 2 cents worth, lots of ideas just no contact from AEI, don't know of any dealers and no where to locate the parts. Thanks and keep the post going, this is the only place on the web that even talks or mentions the Eco-Wheel. If you look up Eco-Wheel, you Car/Truck rims or tours, and then there's you. Thanks for being there.
 
tysfamily,

I received my eco-wheel late last fall, just now getting it running. I'm still dealing with heat issues from my lights, hopefully I'll have that squared away soon.

Getting the eco-wheel is a pain. To be honest, I would have gone to a needlewheel skimmer/berlin system if I knew how long it takes to get the unit. I was in no rush for the system b/c it took me forever to build my stand, but > 6 months was excessive IMO. You might want to contact mission pet martin KC, which is where Chris Owen has contacts. He is the person who sells the units to the local stores, I assume he has marketing rights to the eco-wheel. His ability to communicate with customers does not come close to meeting my standards.

At any rate, the tanks I've seen on the system are very nice. I'm convinced that if set up properly you can have a low maintenance and very stable reef. The quality of construction is excellent. One thing to remember is the flow rate is only about 1200 gallons/hr, so if you desire additional flow you'll need alternative means.

I had to travel down to Nashville to get my tank, I'm in Lexington. Maybe you could talk with Morgan Lister at Inland Aquatics in Indiana. I'm not sure if he deals in eco-wheels, but I understand he runs them at his business and he is "the expert" in these systems.

Hope this helps.

Matt
 
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