This poll never was about labels. Not sure how it went there, so let's focus on the verbal warning as I spoke of on page one. Thanks Keifer.
Mucho Reef
PS, don't forget to vote up top peeps.
A Poll - Who's Responsible ?????
- Thread starter MUCHO REEF
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This poll never was about labels. Not sure how it went there, so let's focus on the verbal warning as I spoke of on page one. Thanks Keifer.
Mucho Reef
PS, don't forget to vote up top peeps.
SIR PATRICK
New member
Good LFS's, in my opinion, are a place to learn. A place to find info along with purchase fish/coral. If I dont get some background information, or warnings on these purchases, weather I researched them first or not, it affects my veiws on the shop.
I guess I am kinda old school though in my thinking, as when I was learning these things, there wasnt a ton of info on any of these subjects to be had with a few pushes of a button.
Its not so hard to research these days as it once was, but still think some information should be shared on a variety of animals we buy from sellers, be it fish, rock, coral or even a tank. For a very long time, sharing information, researched or not, was a HUGE part of the hobby. That is what got reefing and the saltwater hobby to the point its at today.
I guess I am kinda old school though in my thinking, as when I was learning these things, there wasnt a ton of info on any of these subjects to be had with a few pushes of a button.
Its not so hard to research these days as it once was, but still think some information should be shared on a variety of animals we buy from sellers, be it fish, rock, coral or even a tank. For a very long time, sharing information, researched or not, was a HUGE part of the hobby. That is what got reefing and the saltwater hobby to the point its at today.
Easily Distracted
New member
Good point!
KeiferTheReefer
New member
Didn't mean to derail from the subject! My apologies!
I agree with Sir Patrick. We all know that LFS's can be pretty pursuasive to beginners when it comes to what should be ill-advised purchases of unreasearched corals. A warning (either verbal or visible) would also help to give one of these types of customers a better insight to their possible purchase, and hopefully cause them to rethink and in turn research before making the purchase.
This is a wonderful topic folks, lets keep it going with more votes!
tebstan
New member
I work at a LFS. Should a warning be required? No. It's too cumbersome, for one thing. Recommended? That's a case by case basis.
For example, if I'm selling a hamster or gerbil, sometimes it's obvious that animal is going to a safe and educated home. I can tell by the way they handle the animal and the kind of questions they ask. Do I need to warn them, "This animal may bite?" Nope, I don't.
However, when a mom wants to buy her kid a pet turtle, but the kid is running around the store like a crazy person and mom isn't really listening either... I make a huge point of pointing out the dangers of salmonella.
When I sell any animal, I'm focusing on what we do for it, not what it can do to us.
For example, if I'm selling a hamster or gerbil, sometimes it's obvious that animal is going to a safe and educated home. I can tell by the way they handle the animal and the kind of questions they ask. Do I need to warn them, "This animal may bite?" Nope, I don't.
However, when a mom wants to buy her kid a pet turtle, but the kid is running around the store like a crazy person and mom isn't really listening either... I make a huge point of pointing out the dangers of salmonella.
When I sell any animal, I'm focusing on what we do for it, not what it can do to us.
Oh no need to apologize at all my friend, you did nothing wrong and you didn't derail this topic at all. I was going to make that statement based upon the "labels" being mentioned numerous times. You're good.
Mooch
Great points you make my friend. Thanks for sharing that insight. Anyone else care to weigh in?
Mooch
ONLY 53 votes? Anyone else?
sweet d
Happy,Happy,Happy!
hahahaha:spin1::lmao::lmao:so very true in all aspects of life!
on to the question its the buyers responsibility to do the research the store should disclose if the customer asks also.
rustyjames
EMT-B
I don't have any children, if it was the fruit of my looms I'd probably feel different. I think really it's the responsibility of the buyer to be educated and informed.
Get taken on a clunker? You learn the hard way.
Get "tagged" by a zoa? You learn the hard way.
Although, I'd like to think that if someone walked into a lfs and said "ohh, those are pretty and their only $10, I'll take them. What are they?" The owner/employee would give them a little heads up.
Get taken on a clunker? You learn the hard way.
Get "tagged" by a zoa? You learn the hard way.
Although, I'd like to think that if someone walked into a lfs and said "ohh, those are pretty and their only $10, I'll take them. What are they?" The owner/employee would give them a little heads up.
sucker_fish
Member
OK im gonna chime in here now that I voted, When I first got into the hobby a guy that owned a LFS sold me some zoas. When I was walking around looking at them he was carrying on a conversation about the zoas and just randomly bought up the topic about them being toxic which was a complete surprise to me.(I knew there were some that were toxic but tought it was only a very few) Anyway to answer the question I dont think it is the responsibility of the LFS to warn the customers, however it is a good idea. I dont recall any car salesman ever telling me that if I drive the car that i am buying too fast it could result in my death. I agree that we should research items that we purchase, wether it be cars, zoas or electric razors, we need to get away from blaming everyone else for our mistakes and learn from them then pass that knowledge on to others so they dont make the same mistakes.
Borchers
Reefer Who needs Help!!!
This is just my 2 cents.
As someone who always runs into new reefers I do believe that the LFS should advise that caution.is needed when buying Palys and Zoas. People here have stated that all buyers should do research on there own which should be a rule before before buying any animal or fish or coral but after reading honor stories on this forum about crashed tanks and dead fish I think stores should advised customers that when they reach there hand into the tank to clean thy could be exposed.to the palytoxin. Even if its only to avoid a child's hand from reaching in and grabbing a frag from a low sitting tank. A little info may save a life. I know this seems like a rant but I have experienced palytoxin first hand after placing some newly purchased palys into my tank when I first started. 5 days feeling like I had been run over by a truck. My LFS just popped them in a bag and took my card. Not their fault but a little info would have gone a long way. Now I know.
As someone who always runs into new reefers I do believe that the LFS should advise that caution.is needed when buying Palys and Zoas. People here have stated that all buyers should do research on there own which should be a rule before before buying any animal or fish or coral but after reading honor stories on this forum about crashed tanks and dead fish I think stores should advised customers that when they reach there hand into the tank to clean thy could be exposed.to the palytoxin. Even if its only to avoid a child's hand from reaching in and grabbing a frag from a low sitting tank. A little info may save a life. I know this seems like a rant but I have experienced palytoxin first hand after placing some newly purchased palys into my tank when I first started. 5 days feeling like I had been run over by a truck. My LFS just popped them in a bag and took my card. Not their fault but a little info would have gone a long way. Now I know.
A. Grandis
Active member
The buyer needs to be aware of any risk.
Not everyone that buys an organism knows everything about it.
The safest way for the buyer to know is through the seller.
They should give an information sheet to the buyer.
That could save a lot of headaches for many.
Safety comes first.
Grandis.
Not everyone that buys an organism knows everything about it.
The safest way for the buyer to know is through the seller.
They should give an information sheet to the buyer.
That could save a lot of headaches for many.
Safety comes first.
Grandis.
I don't think it's a rant at all, you're simply stating how you feel and you have every right to do so pro or con.
Mucho
I would hate for someone to fall ill because I didn't share one line of info.
Mooch
Was really hoping to get at least 100 votes/opinions. Hey, I tried.
redneckgearhead
Active member
And you made me rethink some of my positions on other topics as well! Thanks!
The Escaped Ape
In The Canopy
I was vacillating between the two options. I'm going to be a bit wishy-washy and say it's down to both sides. We each have a responsibility to be intelligent consumers, for the good of our livestock and for our own health and safety. However a retailer also needs to think about developing a reputation built on trust and to market their goods responsibly.
I'm not going to get into the technicalities of who's legally responsible, or should be. I don't know enough about the US legal system to get into that.
