AC dropping Quiet One pumps
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sandalscout
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AH MAN! I just ordered 1, and it's been backordered for 4 more weeks... crap. Any idea if they have any 4000s?
Not sure if they have 4000's. I remember seeing a 4000HH, but that's all. Call them.
As for dropping, Ken state price. They are bringing in some POS ECO pump that is bigger and made of cheaper plastic. My bet is bigger heat issues as well. It's a price numbers game, They want to see more volume, so will forgo the proven pumps (like danner mag's and Pentair QO) for this POS Eco pump.
As for dropping, Ken state price. They are bringing in some POS ECO pump that is bigger and made of cheaper plastic. My bet is bigger heat issues as well. It's a price numbers game, They want to see more volume, so will forgo the proven pumps (like danner mag's and Pentair QO) for this POS Eco pump.
poolkeeper1
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It's all about the bottom line, nothing more nothing less! Cheaper cost means more profit for the LFS You'll see Almost no change In retail price I'll bet....
I spoke with Chris yesterday and he stated that they are dropping the QO pumps b/c they are failing too much. I myself and several others have had problems with them. AC's reef tank had two QO 4000s crap out at the same time. He knows the guy who started Pentair who sold the company and has recently reaquired it b/c of the quality issues. The new pumps are cheaper but that doesn't always mean worse as these have steel jacketed impellers and AC will carry a full line up of parts for them.
I also bought it at the Critter 2 years ago.
As long as its stainless, it should be fine and not affect your inverts... Most cheaper pumps have steel impeller shafts... After a while they degrade and break... Maxijets and the older Tunze Nanostreams have this problem... Tunze fixed it by going to a Titanium alloy... Maxijet, well, they sell replacement impellers for about $9... 
Thats another thing I like about the QO's... Ceramic impeller shafts... I have a 3000 for mixing salt, 2 x 4000's, and a 5000 on one of my systems... Couldn't be happier... 
Thats another thing I like about the QO's... Ceramic impeller shafts... I have a 3000 for mixing salt, 2 x 4000's, and a 5000 on one of my systems... Couldn't be happier... 
ReefingMadness
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Does the 10% club discount still apply?
Of course he is going to say that, and honestly, I think it is a part, a small part of why. He is not going to say we brought in a cheaper pump because I make more on them. He will say I brought it in because I sell them cheaper. Truth is he cannot compete on the QO or Mags. Online we get them for better pricing than he can (so he claims). He's in business to make money..selling me a cheap pump with a steel shaft that rusts for my expensive reef tank is not one of the ways he will make money from me. For ponds that's fine, but my tanks are not ponds.
FWIW, I do believe Chris can't buy the QO or Mag pumps for what we can... Its a shame, but its kind of like Walmart and our corner markets... Places like DFS can by in mass quantities direct from the manufacturer, where as AC has to go through distributors who mark it up more than what we can by them from DFS for...
DMBillies
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I talked to Chris the other day just after he got the Eco's in and from his perspective it is price that is the issue (btw, they are selling them at the MSRP, so the price will change) along with his comment, "They ought to call them the loud one." It seems customer returns were a bit of a headache I'd guess.
Also, I've not had Eco pumps, but I did have a Quiet One and frankly it was the biggest POS pump I've ever had. So, maybe their manufacturing tolerance and QC aren't that great or they fixed some of the issue, but god help him if the Eco pumps are worse... at least they are cheaper.
DMBillies
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I'm not blindly defending AC here (although I think a little discretion in how we talk about our local fish stores in a public forum is always a good idea and I don't feel much of that discretion going on from anyone here), but you should do your research first if you're going to post something like this... the Eco pump he took out, pulled apart, and showed me had a ceramic shaft and the magnet was jacketed in plastic (which was to help reduce the noise of the impeller vibrating in the chamber). I don't know if there might be a pond version and a SW version, but they definitely have a ceramic shaft.
That may not mean they are the most efficient pump on the market or that they might not be heat generators like Mag pumps (I don't really know), but with limited stock space and a hard time getting competitive wholesale prices, he's not going to be able to carry a full line of top-quality pumps at prices that are competitive with online. I think it is safe to say from getting to know and working with Chris (on things like the frag swap) over the course of the last few years, that he is in business so he has to carry what is going to sell, but he's not a sleaze.
