Acrylic fabrication questions? I can help!

I recently routered some new 1/4"
acrylic lids for my tank, the old ones had holes to lift them that would allow fish to escape. A week later and the new
ones the ends are warped up and they don't fit properly. Is that because they are not cast acrylic? It's only 8 t5 bulbs.
No, it's not about the lights. It's about the water. All acrylic is porous and will absorb water, as it does - it expands. Lids will always "cup" - meaning the bottom or "wet" side will always become convex and the top or "dry" side will always become concave. The wet side is absorbing moisture and growing, the dry side isn't.. Just make lids that you can flip over or use Lexan or similar polycarbonate material (recommended over acrylic for lids)

HTH,
James
 
James just got finished reading your DIY thread in its entirety and i have a few questions about tools. Router; probably going with Bosch's new 2.3 HP combo kit -- set it all up on a large hacked table made of MDF using some large levels as a fence. Was going to get a porter router but the reviews for the mid size 2 1/4 HP were horrible after a little research.
No clue about reviews on the PC routers. I only use the 3 1/4" HP in my tables. I have a few trim routers and one 1 1/2hp PC and it's about shot but then it's 15 years old ;)

Router Bits:
looking at Whiteside Solid Carbide Flush Trim Spiral Bit to make the finishing and euro brace cuts
maybe a bosche 1.5in diameter Carbide Tipped Double Flute Straight Bits for squaring
and a whiteside 45° CHAMFER to ease the edges
any other bits i may need to work 3/4in Acrylic?
Can't answer what else you might need for 3/4" - not sure what you want to do :) But as basics go, you got it.

ok some dumb questions, what does shank diameter determine is there an advantage of 1/2in over 1/4in i assume 1/2in would be more stable?
Yep, 1/4" shanks are more prone to flexing under load.

How do you rough cut the euro brace? Im thinking plunge route a starter hole, then can i rough cut the rest with a flush trim bit without a template and then use the template with the same bit to finish the job? not sure how comfortable i am at drop cutting with a circular saw for the rough cut.
Personally, I freehand it on a router table. Just drill a pilot hole with a spade bit or forstner and use a 1/2" flushcutter to rough cut. But please note I do not recommend this. I'm just used to doing it so freehanding through 1.25" acrylic doesn't bother me. Never plunge acrylic, just bad juju. If you want, get a 3/4" bearing to fit on your flushcutter and rough it out - this will leave 1/8" to be removed on your final pass. Or use 5/8" bearing to leave 1/16" on your final pass.. it's all good :)

Ok and to completely change the subject, after reading for hours im still unsure about the purpose of shimming. Let me take a stab at what i think it is for.
Before solvent welding i use a light to see if there is any gaps between the acrylic pieces and then shim any gaps with excess acrylic pieces and then place the pins and solvent weld. do i have that right?
Yes and no. If you have to shim prior to gluing - you've got an issue somewhere. Pretty much the only shims I use are for use after gluing and my shims are only .030". But to be honest, could write a book just on shimming, more a "feel" thing rather than something that can be easily explained.

As far as up/downcuts..yep, upcut for table mounted, downcut for handheld. That said, I will never use a downcut as my first priority is keeping the shavings away from the bearings and a downcut pushes the shavings right into the bearings which, for me, is a no no.

HTH,
James
 
Thanks a ton James, i wouldnt be able to attempt this project with out your help, and the wealth of information in your threads :)

-BP-
 
Can someone please help? If I have a acrylic tank that has a background on it with some adhesive and I pulled the background off, what's the best way to remove the leftover adhesive without messing up the acrylic? is there some Goo be gone or rubbing alcohol I can use? thanks
 
James,

I got three tiny questions for you again =)

I'm building a tank, rimless, and the dimensions are going to be 900mmX800mmX450mm/500mm

And my question is: What thickness of acrylic would you use, 15mm/around 5/8" , 20mm/around 3/4", 25mm/around 1"?

Then my second question is, what kind of "glue" or "solvent" would you use, the choise is between the Acrifix series, and my primary choises are Acrifix 106 or Acrifix 109.

Would i be better of by making my own solvent/glue or maybe try to get hold of some weldon/mcbond?

Then my third and last question is, how hard is it to actually weld acrylic, as with a heatgun? I'm going to make some tanks / skimmers / lots of other stuff, and wondering a bit =O

Thanks for your expertise!

Blackizzz
 
Can someone please help? If I have a acrylic tank that has a background on it with some adhesive and I pulled the background off, what's the best way to remove the leftover adhesive without messing up the acrylic? is there some Goo be gone or rubbing alcohol I can use? thanks
Denatured alcohol works well but depending on the latent stress in the material, may craze.


James,

I got three tiny questions for you again =)

I'm building a tank, rimless, and the dimensions are going to be 900mmX800mmX450mm/500mm

And my question is: What thickness of acrylic would you use, 15mm/around 5/8" , 20mm/around 3/4", 25mm/around 1"?
*I* would use 1.25" (31mm) you *may* get away with 1" but may also bow beyond tolerance. I have very strict tolerances on rimless tanks (learned from experience :( )

Then my second question is, what kind of "glue" or "solvent" would you use, the choise is between the Acrifix series, and my primary choises are Acrifix 106 or Acrifix 109.

Would i be better of by making my own solvent/glue or maybe try to get hold of some weldon/mcbond?
IMO you'd be better off making your own. IMO 106 and 109 suck, bad. 117 is more like Weld-on 4 or MCBond, but not nearly as strong - IMO it sucks too :( I did practice pieces here at the shop with the Evonik chemist and rep and methylene chloride based products were far superior to any of their products. Perhaps your experiences will differ.

Then my third and last question is, how hard is it to actually weld acrylic, as with a heatgun? I'm going to make some tanks / skimmers / lots of other stuff, and wondering a bit =O
In short, no. Just no. Trying it with a heat gun is a problem waiting to happen. There are a coupla companies welding PVC into joints but I've had to fix a few of those as well.
..and FWIW it's not a standard heat gun that is used for this :)

HTH,
James
 
Ok, Thanks.

Now i just have to get a "fingerpoint" of what 30-31mm plexiglas GS weights... my local sells acrylic over 30mm by weight insted of measurements.

So do you have a clue where i can find how much 2sq meters weights?
 
Denatured alcohol works well but depending on the latent stress in the material, may craze.James
what is craze? kinda like making cloudy? and what do you mean by,"depending on latent stress"? Should I be worried about ruining my 300g?:confused: I have to buff the whole thing if this makes a difference and the tank is empty right now..I am new to acrylic so sorry for the questions and thank you for
your response
 
what is craze? kinda like making cloudy? and what do you mean by,"depending on latent stress"? Should I be worried about ruining my 300g?:confused: I have to buff the whole thing if this makes a difference and the tank is empty right now..I am new to acrylic so sorry for the questions and thank you for
your response
Crazing is little stress fractures. Depending on how stressed the material is, it may craze - may not with the addition of solvents such as alcohol. If it's made well - probably not an issue. But if the tank is made from material that is too thin (bowed a lot) or has lots of flame polished edges, may craze from latent stress when alcohol is applied.

Crazing literally is a bunch of little stress fractures, and when there is enough of it - can look cloudy. Look real close at the white areas, if they are just deposits, can be cleaned off, but if they are just tons of little fractures, not much we can really do about that :(

James
 
Thanks for the response. It is a *******e tank 48"x36"x36" .. 1" thick no cracking just some scratches from cleaning that need to be buffed out and the adhesive removed before I can buff the sides.
any tips on buffing out the scratches? Thanks
 
I only have 2 local suppliers of 1/2 inch 4x8 cell cast one the cost is $411.00 made in mexico, other is $277.00 they said it was a plexiglass product called ocamo. is price range normally this big of a difference
 
I was quoted Acrylite GP by Piedmont Plastics yesterday (we have one locally).
48" x 96" sheet; 3/8" was $191, 1/2" was $252, 3/4" was $384.

I am waiting for a quote for Polycast; he did not have current pricing in front of him. Only thing he told me was Polycast was probably 10% more expensive than Acrylite GP.

James, if you as an expert buying bulk pay more than this, and others are paying double what I posted, could something be fishy from Piedmont Plastics?

This is a little strange. I just got a price from piedmont yesterday for 1/2 inch 4x8 cast sheet and the price was $411.00 in central florida
 
Thanks for the response. It is a *******e tank 48"x36"x36" .. 1" thick no cracking just some scratches from cleaning that need to be buffed out and the adhesive removed before I can buff the sides.
any tips on buffing out the scratches? Thanks
There was a thread bouncing around here a coupla days ago on polishing out a dry tank, his method seemed to work well :)


What do you think about perspex GS? ( probably a big no no)
I've never used it to be honest. But the trade name "Perspex" is owned by Lucite, and Lucite has always made good stuff. Other than that - I can't say.

I only have 2 local suppliers of 1/2 inch 4x8 cell cast one the cost is $411.00 made in mexico, other is $277.00 they said it was a plexiglass product called ocamo. is price range normally this big of a difference
Do you mean "Arkema" rather than Ocamo? Never heard of Ocamo, but if it's Arkema.. Arkema is the company that owns Plexi-Glas. I would think one of two things if this is the case; either one is giving you the price for Plexi-Glas G sheet (good stuff) and the other is giving you the price for Plexi-Glas MC (extruded) or..... one is giving you the retail price for Plexi-Glas G and the other is giving you a *really good* wholesale price for the same sheet. My advice is to go check out the sheet; if it says "Plexi-Glas G" on it - you're good to go.

If there is yet another brand of acrylic on the market called Ocamo, I've never heard of it nor used it, so can't say. That said, I personally wouldn't use it until I've seen proof that it can hold a joint under pressure for several years.

The term "plexiglass" is used so generically now that I don't trust it, I need to *see* an actual brand name. "Plexiglass" is not a brand anywhere on the planet. "Plexi-glas" however, is. And yes, I am that picky ;)

James
 
Quick question if I may.....

I would like to build a 72"L x 24"W x 24"H acrylic tank. I have some scrap 3/8" and I am wondering if I could get away with using 1/2" acrylic for the long sides and 3/8" for the ends (to avoid purchasing an extra sheet of 1/2").

Would this work?

The top will include both euro and cross bracing with 3-4 access openings so it will be suficiently braced.

Your thoughts please?
 
There was a thread bouncing around here a coupla days ago on polishing out a dry tank, his method seemed to work well :)


I've never used it to be honest. But the trade name "Perspex" is owned by Lucite, and Lucite has always made good stuff. Other than that - I can't say.

Do you mean "Arkema" rather than Ocamo? Never heard of Ocamo, but if it's Arkema.. Arkema is the company that owns Plexi-Glas. I would think one of two things if this is the case; either one is giving you the price for Plexi-Glas G sheet (good stuff) and the other is giving you the price for Plexi-Glas MC (extruded) or..... one is giving you the retail price for Plexi-Glas G and the other is giving you a *really good* wholesale price for the same sheet. My advice is to go check out the sheet; if it says "Plexi-Glas G" on it - you're good to go.

If there is yet another brand of acrylic on the market called Ocamo, I've never heard of it nor used it, so can't say. That said, I personally wouldn't use it until I've seen proof that it can hold a joint under pressure for several years.

The term "plexiglass" is used so generically now that I don't trust it, I need to *see* an actual brand name. "Plexiglass" is not a brand anywhere on the planet. "Plexi-glas" however, is. And yes, I am that picky ;)

James

James you are right. IT is arkema plexi glass g.
The tank I would like to build is w 3ft L 4FT H 2FT WILL 1/2 inch be good and how would you do the lid
 
Quick question if I may.....

I would like to build a 72"L x 24"W x 24"H acrylic tank. I have some scrap 3/8" and I am wondering if I could get away with using 1/2" acrylic for the long sides and 3/8" for the ends (to avoid purchasing an extra sheet of 1/2").

Would this work?
Yep, not the "preferred" way, but yep - will work just fine :)

The top will include both euro and cross bracing with 3-4 access openings so it will be suficiently braced.

Your thoughts please?
3" eurobrace and 2 x 6" crossbraces, yielding 3 openings measuring 18 x 18"...works perfectly :)

James you are right. IT is arkema plexi glass g.
The tank I would like to build is w 3ft L 4FT H 2FT WILL 1/2 inch be good and how would you do the lid
1/2" will work just fine :)
I like consistency, so I'd use 4" eurobrace and a single 8" crossbrace, which will yield 2 top openings measuring 16 x 28".
If you wanted you could make the eurobrace 3" on the 4' long panes yielding 2 openings measuring 16 x 30".
Your choice :)

HTH,
James
 
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