Adding Sulfur and Vodka directly

sailfintang

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Hey guys I just have a quick question for people out there using sulfur reactors or any type of sulfur or the chemists. I was on another site where they suggested adding a small amount of sulfur directly to the tank with either vodka or v/s/v mix to get you no3 levels as close to 0 as possible, Does anyone know if this will in fact lower the no3 levels? I am in the process of a rebuild and plan to add a no3 reactor but am curious if this method is just as good.
 
The sulfur idea is likely useless (or worse) as it requires a low O2 region to denitrify. Otherwise it may just be consumed by aerobic bacteria, producing sulfate and not doing anything for nitrate.

Adding vodka or other carbon sources directly to the tank to drive bacterial growth (maybe or maybe not involving low O2 denitrification) is quite popular at the moment and will reduce nitrate, but has other drawbacks, such as the risk of driving nutrients too low, reducing O2, and possibly creating unsightly bacterial mats.
 
Correct randy that is the same report I received off another site/local club I belong to but could not find a way to link it here. I was tryign to figure out what the recommended dosing would be while I finished constructing a reactor to aid in lowering the levels while I modded my coil denirifier that did not work as expected.
 
I presume they simply added the sulfur to the water, but they did not directly state that. I think using a reactor would be better to avoid aerobic oxidation of it.

FWIW, the would have gotten a substantial sulfate rise (maybe 16%), but that is probably OK. However, it is this sort of data that would have me more concerned about other products:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/q178067q487n567h/

Oxidation of H2, organic compounds and inorganic sulfur compounds coupled to reduction of O2 or nitrate by sulfate-reducing bacteria


Abstract All of fourteen sulfate-reducing bacteria tested were able to carry out aerobic respiration with at least one of the following electron donors: H2, lactate, pyruvate, formate, acetate, butyrate, ethanol, sulfide, thiosulfate, sulfite. Generally, we did not obtain growth with O2 as electron acceptor. The bacteria were microaerophilic, since the respiration rates increased with decreasing O2 concentrations or ceased after repeated O2 additions. The amounts of O2 consumed indicated that the organic substrates were oxidized incompletely to acetate; only Desulfobacter postgatei oxidized acetate with O2 completely to CO2. Many of the strains oxidized sulfite (completely to sulfate) or sulfide (incompletely, except Desulfobulbus propionicus); thiosulfate was oxidized only by strains of Desulfovibrio desulfuricans; trithionate and tetrathionate were not oxidized by any of the strains. With Desulfovibrio desulfuricans CSN and Desulfobulbus propionicus the oxidation of inorganic sulfur compounds was characterized in detail. D. desulfuricans formed sulfate during oxidation of sulfite, thiosulfate or elemental sulfur prepared from polysulfide. D. propionicus oxidized sulfite and sulfide to sulfate, and elemental sulfur mainly to thiosulfate. A novel pathway that couples the sulfur and nitrogen cycles was detected: D. desulfuricans and (only with nitrite) D. propionicus were able to completely oxidize sulfide coupled to the reduction of nitrate or nitrite to ammonia. Cell-free extracts of both strains did not oxidize sulfide or thiosulfate, but formed ATP during oxidation of sulfite (37 nmol per 100 nmol sulfite). This, and the effects of AMP, pyrophosphate and molybdate on sulfite oxidation, suggested that sulfate is formed via the (reversed) sulfate activation pathway (involving APS reductase and ATP sulfurylase). Thiosulfate oxidation with O2 probably required a reductive first step, since it was obtained only with energized intact cells.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13641390#post13641390 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randy Holmes-Farley
I presume they simply added the sulfur to the water, but they did not directly state that. I think using a reactor would be better to avoid aerobic oxidation of it.

If I remember correctly,instead of having a seperate sulfur denitrate reactor,they used elemental sulfur directly below the sand in the DSB.Kind of like a "inhouse"sulfur reactor.Sounded like a good idea to Me,but I read some where else that sulfur has a bad effect on thalissia growth,so I never tried it.
 
I am stil lawaiting to hear back form the person who stated this to me and see what dosage they were using. But this is interesting that you could incorporate it in a DSB, I wonder if this would work if you used it in a RDSB or under a plenumn?
 
I believe it was 1gram sulfur to 100gallons of tank water.IMO it would work in a RDSB,but a plenumn has a little bit different dynamic's to it,so I wouldn't know on it.
 
Well if it would work in a RDSB would you layer it or but it a the bottom ? SHould you use as much media as a reactor? WOuld it be more efficient this way? There are about 40 more questions I could think of, I guess the best option would be to test this out.
 
So the other guy got back to me about how he was adding the sulfur to his tank:

2 grams for my 150....I STILL add a gram every month....This is in my opinion why so many people have issues with nitrates....I ALSO ADD 2ML of vodka and 1ml of vinager....I HAVE NO READABLE NITRATES ON A LOW RANGE KIT

He seems to stand by this. I am not sure how long it would take the no3 levles to fall but he is also adding a carbon source.
 
OK, so we cannot know whether the sulfur is of any use or not in that tank since he has other additives that might be doing all of the reduction. :)
 
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