Advice

[slk55r]

Hello,

I'm getting all the info I need right now to put together a Carpet Hoddoni tank.

I would like to have 3 of them residing in the there. They will be the central focus of the tank.

The advice I'm requesting is what size tank do I need? Dimensions etc? Seems like the suggestions so far have been to get a deep low height tank. My guess will be that it will need to be greater than 100 gallons. Lighting wise I will probably be going with LEDs.

The 2nd piece of advice is what type of clown can I get that I can have multiple pairs in the tank? I would love for each carpet to have a pair if possible.

I've read the Anemone FAQ but I've also mostly read that most clowns do not play well together.

In my current tank 3 percula clowns are coexisting in a LTA very well. They aren't fighting at all. One of the males doesn't go into the LTA until nighttime but he seems to host my duncans during the day.

Thanks in advance,

 

[WaffleWalffle22]

Hello,

I'm getting all the info I need right now to put together a Carpet Hoddoni tank.

I would like to have 3 of them residing in the there. They will be the central focus of the tank.

The advice I'm requesting is what size tank do I need? Dimensions etc? Seems like the suggestions so far have been to get a deep low height tank. My guess will be that it will need to be greater than 100 gallons. Lighting wise I will probably be going with LEDs.

The 2nd piece of advice is what type of clown can I get that I can have multiple pairs in the tank? I would love for each carpet to have a pair if possible.

I've read the Anemone FAQ but I've also mostly read that most clowns do not play well together.

In my current tank 3 percula clowns are coexisting in a LTA very well. They aren't fighting at all. One of the males doesn't go into the LTA until nighttime but he seems to host my duncans during the day.

Thanks in advance,

LEDs?! LEDs?! More like MH!

 

[slk55r]

well

well

for a relatively shallow tank I believe LEDs will be fine. Also of all the carpet anemones, haddonis have the least lighting requirement.

If that isn't true please let me know.

 

[COreefer]

for a relatively shallow tank I believe LEDs will be fine. Also of all the carpet anemones, haddonis have the least lighting requirement.

If that isn't true please let me know.

I don't believe this to be true unless you want pale specimens in your tank.

MH IMO is a must
Multiple pairs of clowns will not work, try one pair then anemone crabs or shrimp in the others.

I'm kind of shooting for the same thing right now, except I'm going to go with 2 instead of three. I have one and I hope it pulls through, but I'm looking for a colored specimen too.

 

[slk55r]

okay I"ll keep doing research

okay I"ll keep doing research

regarding lighting ... from what I can tell LEDs have come a long way. not to say there isn't a long way to go still but I'll do more research.

MH would be significantly cheaper in the short run from what I can tell so its not a pricing issue.

 

[WaffleWalffle22]

Are you new to the hobby? If so, I would really do a lot more research. LEDs are lights that come on $3 pocket key chains. MH lights are WAY more powerful and NORMALLY cost anywhere from $200-$500 depending on size, wattage, and other things. I've seen some MH cost up to $1000 when they are installed into a hood. BTW, haddonis are probably among they hardest anemones to keep.

 

[jonnybravo22]

Re: Advice

Not trying to start a spat waffle. I wonder if you are familiar with the high intensity LEDs that are available for aquarium use. Particularly the Cree LEDs used in high end (very expensive) LED systems like AquaIllumination, which cost $1,200 to light a 24 inch long display and several thousand for a larger tank.

Several people seem to have successful sps tanks with LEDs where their corals have great color and growth.

I have not kept haddoni but my research suggests they are more hardy than the most difficult anemones which include giganteas and magnificas. They are less hardy than BTAs which are among the easiest to keep in an aquarium.

 

[davocean]

Are you new to the hobby? If so, I would really do a lot more research. LEDs are lights that come on $3 pocket key chains. MH lights are WAY more powerful and NORMALLY cost anywhere from $200-$500 depending on size, wattage, and other things. I've seen some MH cost up to $1000 when they are installed into a hood. BTW, haddonis are probably among they hardest anemones to keep.

LEDs vary, what is on your key chain is very different than what we are using on reefs.
I was actually running LEDs on my nem tank, the Ecoxotic fixture, but that was for less light needy BTAs.
At this time they still don't have penetration at depth, especially for a light needy nem that is also a sand dwellar.
The haddoni is one of the hardier of carpets, but I agree, will need more than LED lighting at this time.
I wouldn't overlook T5's as an option.
These nems are going to get pretty big, hard to imagine having 3, and have space for LR or other stuff unless a big tank, especially since they are bottom dwellars.

 

[slk55r]

yeah

yeah

I was looking at the cree stuff for LED lights. Its certainly seems that they have the par output needed and go deep enough. Especially for a tank around 18inches high.

Waffle I have done research ... and from what I can tell LEDs should be enough. Also of the carpet anemones, haddoni is supposed to be the hardiest. I think many websites have them as even hardier than LTA.

I want a tank that will be big enough for when they are full grown. I'm not going to be getting another tank just because these carpets have outgrown it.

Its pretty much going to be a balls to the wall build. I don't care how much it costs. I just want the best regardless of cost.

BTW I'm really not trying to get in an argument. I would just prefer people with experience with haddoni carpets to give me advice. These carpets aren't cheap and the rarer ones are easily over 500 dollars a piece.

 

[slk55r]

Multiple pairs of clowns will not work, try one pair then anemone crabs or shrimp in the others.

I'm kind of shooting for the same thing right now, except I'm going to go with 2 instead of three. I have one and I hope it pulls through, but I'm looking for a colored specimen too.

I wonder if the tank is big enough if more than one pair can co-exist in the tank. Especially if I put a lot of live rock in the middle. I would have thought if I throw all young males(same type clown) into the tank they would eventually sort it all out.

I guess the concern of more than one male turning female and then the fights would begin.

There has to be a gallons to pair size that someone has figured out.
Ex. 200 gallons = 1 pair
300 gallons = 2 pair
500 gallons = 3 pair

from what I can tell from my percula ... they like to stay REALLY close to their host anemone. I'm just not sure on the haddoni specific clowns.

 

[eric@tampa]

Saddleback clowns host haddonis,also spend as much as you want but it will be a while before your tank will be ready for 1 let alone 3.

 

[slk55r]

yup

yup

its going to be sitting there with various stuff to get fully cycled for 3.

I'm not going to be dropping any carpets in in for MONTHS. But I got to get started sometime! :fun2:

 

[eric@tampa]

thats cool try and get black saddlebacks,the ones I have were about 8weeks old and about 3/8" long and now they are 10 months old and 1"-1 1/4". Lots of fun watching them grow.Good luck,eric

 

[davocean]

Whether we've actually had a Haddoni or not, most of your questions are pretty basic and most who have done any amount of reading can probably answer them correctly.
As for multiple pairs, if I had to put a number down, maybe like a 300g tank might get lucky w/ 2 pairs, IF your nems stayed at opposite ends like good lil nems, AND if your clowns didn't wander.
FWIW I had a 6' tank w/ nem bookends at each end, and my maroons traveled back and forth between the 2, so no chance.
At 18" deep you'll have better chance of LEDs penetrating, but from my exp w/ my LED unit it still might not be enough for a hadoni.
Tank should cycle at least 6 months for such a sensitive nem.
People here are obviously nem/clown fans, so advice leans towards their safety or success more than taking a personal jab at you.

 

[ECU stew]

Multiple clown pairs may work at first but eventually one pair will become aggressive. If their corresponding nems wander too close this could cause them to show their aggression at an earlier age.

 

[jonnybravo22]

not to refute any of the statements made above about multiple pairs NOT WORKING...

i know this has been argued before hundreds of times. everyone is giving the standard advice of 1 pair per tank, and i'm not saying anything contrary.

just gotta wonder how many actual failed experiences is this actually based on? particularly in large tanks... probably only a few then repeated thousands of times. i wonder if more people tried it if there is a formula for this working. just a thought.

don't do it though!

 

[davocean]

Well, I've been reading on this site about 5 years now, and honestly can not even imagine how many folks were, "going to show us wrong!"LOL
And you know what, when I first came on, I was one of those folks.
All was super groovy for about 6 months, and I plastered pics on here as a Ha Ha, see, I can do it.
I remember one guy saying check back in a few months, wish I could remember who that was, cause sure enough, came home one day, one already dead clown, one seriously jacked up clown trying his best to hover above water, and my sweet lil maroon under him looking like Jaws!

 

[jonnybravo22]

to the issue of LEDs -- AI just released PAR data on their modules (using CREE high power LEDs). MH gets blown out of the water.

their results show 1 74W LED putting out twice as much par as a 250W MH... much more uniform spread. 700+ PAR max at 19 inches away from light (through air, not water).

 

[ECU stew]

I spoke to Doni Marie, a very reputable clown breeder who lives close by( donisreef.com). I was going to do the same thing. I saw first hand her having 2 large gsm's(5-6 inch) and 3 large percula's(3-4 inch) in the same 30 long tank and them getting along for the couple weeks(they had an invisible boundry in the middle they didn't cross). So yes they can get along. At the same time I wanted a pair of her picassos to place in a tank with a pair of b&w's I bought from her. She told me while it may work at first, and possibly a while(because they are young), at some point in time one group will establish dominence. She has 750 gallons of clownfish only (hundreds), I'll take her word for it over anyones, but to each his own. At the same time I think clowns are awesome and the pic on here of the tank with 27 is possibly one of my favorites ever but they are all from the same hatch I believe.

 

[jonnybravo22]

Well, I've been reading on this site about 5 years now, and honestly can not even imagine how many folks were, "going to show us wrong!"LOL
And you know what, when I first came on, I was one of those folks.
All was super groovy for about 6 months, and I plastered pics on here as a Ha Ha, see, I can do it.
I remember one guy saying check back in a few months, wish I could remember who that was, cause sure enough, came home one day, one already dead clown, one seriously jacked up clown trying his best to hover above water, and my sweet lil maroon under him looking like Jaws!

dont get me wrong, i'm not saying it works. i just always try to consider the totality of the advice i give / see given. i dont dispute the logic or the fact that people have had it blow up in their faces. and i'm not trying to promote the 'prove you wrong' mentality, but this is one of those staple comments that you read and so many people pass it on without having ever tried it that i always wonder how much of a rule it is vs. the "telephone tag" syndrome from a handful of experiences.

these are by all accounts territorial fish, particularly with regard to their own social dynamic within the species. i have never tried it, but wouldnt expect mutliple domains to be established in a small tank, where i imagine most 'newbies' make the mistake of trying to 'prove everyone wrong'. i wonder how many people have actually tried this in a 100g tank like the OP mentioned. or larger. my only point was that i think the sample size of people who have actually tried that in a tank that size where it might have a chance, is probably a very small group. and of those i would be interested in if there are unique factors that might have caused stress / fighting / success / etc. among multiple pairs.