Advise on fishlist for a 200g

[Raven1645]

Ok, so I made this fishlist for my 200g:

Echidna nebulosa
Snowflake eel x2
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Pomacanthus Imperator
Emperor angelfish x1
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Dwarf Lionfish x2
Dendrochirus zebra
"""""""""""""" brachypterus(fuzzy)
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Paracanthurus hepatus
Picasso surgeonfish x? (2)
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Amphiprion occelaris
False percula clown x? (4)
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Foxface rabbitfish
Lo Vulpinus x? (1)
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Common cleaner wrasse
Labroides dimidiatus x? (2)
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Green blue damsel
Chromis viridis x? (4)
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Bangaii cardinal
Pterapogon kauderni x? (4)

Please share your thoughts about this list. The things I'm obviously mostly worried about are the snowflake eels and the dwarf lionfish together with the smaller fish, however I've seen it happen.

Also I'm really unsure about the cleaner wrasse. I'd really like them because I think they're fascinating, but I read they're difficult to care for.

"?"s mean I don't know the number and it'd be highly appreciated if you'd tell me what a good amount of that fish is. What I put in brackets is what I though might be a good amount but that I'm really unsure.

Thanks alot!

 

[zachk]

I would go with only 2 Clownfish, 2 Banggai, and a larger group of Chromis.

 

[aquaph8]

I would recommended researching each fish individually. I'm sure there's a ton of info on each of them. +1 clowns and Bangai in pairs, chromis in a group/ odd numbers. I know some people do it but I don't like the idea of lions with Triggers.

 

[snorvich]

I agree with Brett.

 

[rssjsb]

I think you need to make up your mind about what kind of tank you want.

Aside from the specific issues of compatibility others have pointed out, you're trying to mix very peaceful fish with predators that will eventually eat them.

Cardinals, clowns, and chromis are going to be in eventual peril from the eel, lion, and maybe the trigger.

 

[Raven1645]

Please excuse me for my stupidity (my first language isn't English so I probably know it by another name), but which one is the triggerfish?

 

[Raven1645]

And about doing research:
I researched the question 'Clowns with lions and eel' alot and found that it's not really a problem as long as you take the right precautions.
However I added the cardinals, the chromis and the wrasse in a rush yesterday just to see what other people's opinions would be.
Also on the hippo tangs I couldn't find very specific info about compatibility with lions and eels so I'm not really sure about it either.

I agree that I should watch out mixing these peaceful fish with predators but I'm not going to let it go until I'm convinced it's going to go wrong.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Paracanthurus hepatus is the Regal or Hippo, or Pac. Blue Tang. I've never heard id it called a 'Picasso". Almost all cleaner wrasse don't last long (African species seem to be an exception). More than 1 mated pair of clowns in any size tank almost never works. There are no "precautions' you can take to avoid predators from eating half the fish on your list. I suppose the precautions had to do with the myth that, if well-fed, lions (and others) won't eat small fish. Not true. You cannot alter the genetic make-up of a fish with 'precautions". IMO & IME; you are getting some lousy advice somewhere and are trying to go two directions at once. If your research has said that Ocellaris(false percs) are fine with Dwarf Lions, that just plain wrong. Do you have a source for that statement, I'd like to know who's making it?

 

[aday2remmbr]

im guessing this is a fowlr tank? i would do a blue faced angel along with the emporer. i have done an angel tank before in a 450 gallon tank, pretty much every type of angel regals emporers blue faced flagfin. beautiful.

 

[Raven1645]

Paracanthurus hepatus is the Regal or Hippo, or Pac. Blue Tang. I've never heard id it called a 'Picasso". Almost all cleaner wrasse don't last long (African species seem to be an exception). More than 1 mated pair of clowns in any size tank almost never works. There are no "precautions' you can take to avoid predators from eating half the fish on your list. I suppose the precautions had to do with the myth that, if well-fed, lions (and others) won't eat small fish. Not true. You cannot alter the genetic make-up of a fish with 'precautions". IMO & IME; you are getting some lousy advice somewhere and are trying to go two directions at once. If your research has said that Ocellaris(false percs) are fine with Dwarf Lions, that just plain wrong. Do you have a source for that statement, I'd like to know who's making it?

Search for 'dwarf lionfish with clowns?' on this forum by... Well, me.
Made it some time ago when I started thinking of what fish I wanted.

As you can see there's no one that actually says it's impossible.
Then there are some (I believe 2) that say they wouldn't do it (but don't have personal experience.
Then there are some who say they would,
And finally there are some (like 4) who say there wouldn't be any issues, and all of them actually keep these fish themselves for quite some time already.

And if (someone's) personal experience isn't enough I also google it.

 

[snorvich]

I think you need to make up your mind about what kind of tank you want.

Aside from the specific issues of compatibility others have pointed out, you're trying to mix very peaceful fish with predators that will eventually eat them.

Cardinals, clowns, and chromis are going to be in eventual peril from the eel, lion, and maybe the trigger.

Exactly. Expensive meals. But, of course, you can just do it and then you can be one of the "experienced ones" for the next person who wants to do it.

 

[Raven1645]

im guessing this is a fowlr tank? i would do a blue faced angel along with the emporer. i have done an angel tank before in a 450 gallon tank, pretty much every type of angel regals emporers blue faced flagfin. beautiful.

I'll be adding a few corals. The angel will be well fed though, and will hope that it won't nip them.

I love angels too but only a few are reef safe, and the emperor is with caution, but it's probably my fvouite fish and I just have to get one.

 

[Raven1645]

Exactly. Expensive meals. But, of course, you can just do it and then you can be one of the "experienced ones" for the next person who wants to do it.

I like the way you put it, lol.

But please don't think that I'm one of those people who creates a thread and then refuses to accept the truth when everyone states it.

I'm rather waiting for one of the, as you said it, "experienced ones" who has tried any of these combinations.

Edit: I still don't know what the Trigger is

 

[aquaph8]

That was my bad, when you said "Picasso" I thought you meant trigger. I never heard of a Picasso Surgeon. Now I know you meant Blue or Hippo tang.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Search for 'dwarf lionfish with clowns?' on this forum by... Well, me.
Made it some time ago when I started thinking of what fish I wanted.

As you can see there's no one that actually says it's impossible.
Then there are some (I believe 2) that say they wouldn't do it (but don't have personal experience.
Then there are some who say they would,
And finally there are some (like 4) who say there wouldn't be any issues, and all of them actually keep these fish themselves for quite some time already.

And if (someone's) personal experience isn't enough I also google it.

Someone, somewhere, has done everything in this hobby. Sometimes successfully. Dwarf lions can EASILY eat a fish half their size, or more. They reach about 7" and grow fast. An Ocellaris rarely exceeds 3". Same with the chromis & Cardinals. I'm not trying to flame you; but this is a question that is so obvious, it rarely gets asked, IMO & IME.

 

[Raven1645]

Someone, somewhere, has done everything in this hobby. Sometimes successfully. Dwarf lions can EASILY eat a fish half their size, or more. They reach about 7" and grow fast. An Ocellaris rarely exceeds 3". Same with the chromis & Cardinals. I'm not trying to flame you; but this is a question that is so obvious, it rarely gets asked, IMO & IME.

But still the fact that there were four of these 'someones' who actually approached me give me the feeling that I ought to give it a shot...

 

[Raven1645]

That was my bad, when you said "Picasso" I thought you meant trigger. I never heard of a Picasso Surgeon. Now I know you meant Blue or Hippo tang.

Oops my bad, I meant hippo tang indeed