AEFW new info and photos

Sara - sorry to hear about that - do you have the big ones or are they the small ones?

I am still unclear on many items of the life cycle and different species of these worms - why don't we try to see what everyone has - if you have photos please post them - maybe we can see what is out there that way - on a few of the other big threads there are a few photos but not a lot (and what appear to be several different species) - if you have photos post em and if you don't, take them and then post them! this is important as we all may be trying to treat different species that may or may not respond to the same treatments - maybe that is why we see different outcomes with similar treatments
 
dolt - When I initially noticed RTN and paths of eaten Acro tissue on my 2 Nana's, I dipped and found nothing. I have dipped a total of 6 acro's several times over a 2 month timeframe and finally came up with the "standard" looking AEFW on Friday. All of these dips I was using TMPCC. I had noticed with my earlier dips on the Nana's exactly what you saw in your above posting that was the small dark ones, but I just figured it was an algae growing on the dead tissue and did not pay much attention to it. I also closely inspected all of these for egg areas as well and found nothing. On this latest Acro I found a total of 4 adult AEFW's. I have one other Acro (Hoke) that was infected with this same tissue eaten path about 1 month ago and I dipped it again on Friday and found nothing. It appears that the AEFW had stopped eating on that one after it's dip 1 month ago as it is not showing fresh bites at all. I have lost the 2 Nana's and 2 other unidentified Acro's from this.

I did not take photo's of the standard looking AEFW's, just of the damage they have done to the 2 corals. They are still floating dead in a bowl, but I have spent too much money on corals to get a camera with a good macro lens for close-ups.

I will be starting my 4 week QT treatment tomorrow in a 10 gallon tank. I did this for 3 weeks for Red Bug's about 2 months ago and it worked well. I only have about 20 Acro's left and none have yet to encrust past their rubble rock, so I am in better shape there. I have not yet decided which treatment to use ... TMPCC dips or 10 gallon Levamisole treatments at 60ppm for 6-7 hours. Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Sara
 
Sara,

Were they the clear AEFW's or the brownish red AEFW's? Aside fomr the different sized ones, there are at least two of the larger variety. With enough info from everyone (and some self starters like dolt), maybe we can figure these guys out... I haven't seen any since the four levamisole treatments, but that's not to say I won't see more in the future, either from new frags or returns of the old culprits. All new frags are being QT'd and dipped, so I hope to not get hit from that side again...
 
I beat them with TMPCC, lots of wrasses and frequently blasting corals with my tunze's. The last time I had seen any or blown any off a coral was around 2 months ago. I started with a good population and over the course of the last 5 months or so they have decline in number . The main thing for me was to stay on top of it . Favorites seemed to be any smooth bodied acro and mille's. All my corals are 100% tissue or near . I also still look over every coral every day just to make sure I don't miss a thing.
 
Also just a note a full bottle of TMPCC will treat approx 10g of water. I did 10g tanks full of acros on a few ocassions. Worst part of the dips was getting all my acro crabs out of the corals.
 
Any updates on your treatment battle Dolt?

OK, so everyone that has had the unfortunate event of finding these little *$&#@!(, where do you think that you got them?

Do you suspect a wild colony or was it a frag? If it was a frag, did the person whom you got if from experience similar events.

Finally, are there any of you that hadn't placed anything into your tank for quite some time before the infection? If so, what was the time period? Was it greater than the 30 day magic life cycle?
 
I had not added any new corals for about 45 days or more before i finally noticed a coral going downhill or any signs of AEFW for that matter. It took about 20 days for them to almost completely eat that small colony.
 
I just picked up a couple of small colonies and frags from a friend who told me he was having problems keeping them. After I inspected them, I saw the tell tale bite marks and eggs on the skeleton next to the tissue.

I read somewhere, not sure this thread or another, to dip in Betadine. I used 1.5 ml betadine per 2 cups of tank water and left them in 20-25 mins. I then lightly basted the corals a couple times in the dip and the worms easily came off and started to squirm (in agony I hope) on the bottom. At the end of the dip I washed/basted them in fresh tank water and put them in the qt tank.

On the bottom of the cup I saw several worms, all DEAD, and other things (starfish, pods and such) all dead. I scraped all the eggs off the corals I could see.

With in a few hours, all polyps were out somewhat. Not full, but there. Its been a couple days and all are fine. PE is looking better and the corals lightened up just a tad.

Again I read that this is what some have done in Europe and looks promising. Best of all CHEAP!!!! I however used the brand name and not generic as there were some others things in the generic. Still only cost $12!!!!! at the grocery store.

Anyone else try this? Still not an intake cure, but treatment looks promising.

I would be interested if someone with the skill and patience could really test this and monitor it as I am not the best and am limited on time at times.

By the way I also read that it kills the eggs, but it was recommended to scrape them off also. This was what I read to be the most interesting and promising!!!

Good luck with these pests
Tony:D
 
badbones,
pretty sure the betadine treatment was posted in this thread. I am relieved to hear that it seemed to work well and your coral survived. Let us know how it holds up over the next couple of days.

And I think that the original poster did say that the eggs were impacted, but that they would "fall off" the coral too. Still, I will be anxiously watching for your updates on the general health of that dipped coral :). BTW, are you keeping it in a separate QT tank for now ?
 
Here is the damaged coral that I finally found the AEFW's on.
<img src="http://www.toizrit.com/fishtank/bug1.JPG"></img>


This is a photo of the Hoke that had a prior problem. I also have a question regarding what the color of the water should be with the TMPCC. My bottle is broken and the squirt portion does not work. Instead the liquid comes out the lower opening when pumped, so I am not sure of how much constitutes a pump. What should the color does it look like when mixed with water. Please use the below photo for a color guide as it has different shades of color ...

You can also see the "dead" items in the bottom of the bowl ... that's a bristle worm to the right.

<img src="http://www.toizrit.com/fishtank/bug2.JPG"></img>
 
The water can turn a nice brown with TMPCC. The dose is 1 ml per 200ml, according to the bottle. If my conversion is correct, that is 1ml squirt per ~7 oz. of water. Many are overdosing, though.
 
our doses have varied in color, even though the amount of water (I marked the dip container at 200 ML gradients) and the stock TMPCC plunger was used to "squirt" the same amount of TMPCC. It is really hard to tell color from a picture, since it has nothing as a reference. Also, the amount of water will affect the color (depth of water makes it darker, lighter, etc in appearance).

That being said, your color looks about right, maybe on the lower end of our expereinces, but we may also be in the "overdosing" category that gflat65 mentioned. I had read somewhere that it should be a coffe brown, wo when we dose, I do the standard squirt then add as I feel is needed for the specimen and color results.

I know this really is not the exact answer you were looking for, but I hope that it at least helps.
 
Thanks! The "nice brown" and "coffee brown" references help me out quite a bit as this stuff just pours directly out of the plunger and not the dispenser tip.
 
Sparkss

It may have been this thread wher I read it. There have been so many topics on this and I just could not remember. I just noted the doseage and moved on.

On a side not, I dipped a couple in lugols, 6-7 drops in 2 cups of water. It losened them, but did not kill them. Did the same with the same coral and it really loosened more that the lugals did not seem to bother.

Hopefully someone else will try this and post the results.
 
I did a TMPCC dip on a few corals over the weekend. I saw a few small FW in the container, not what i was expecting though. I found at the recommended dosage, 1 squirt per 200ml water, that it did not kill off all redbugs either. Obviously overdosing is needed with this dip.
 
I believe that TPMCC was noted not to be 100% effective against Red Bugs. I have been told this by multiple sources in the industry. HTH.
 
What does everyone do with their Acro Crabs? I am doing the 4 week QT process, so I know to pull them off before the dips, but can they return to the acro after the treatment back in the QT tank? If I put them all in the main tank, there are no acro's for them to live on and I don't want them to die. LMK what has worked for you.

Sara
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7587667#post7587667 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by impur
I had not added any new corals for about 45 days or more before i finally noticed a coral going downhill or any signs of AEFW for that matter. It took about 20 days for them to almost completely eat that small colony.
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This dormant period really freaks me out! 45 days! Ouch. This can make it almost impossible to determine where your problems have come from. :eek1:
 
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