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kenargo:

I understand the profiles, although I am about run out of them (16 is not enough IMO). I know that Curt says he will be adding more....

Anyway, I like the programmability of the Apex and I agree with most of the examples that you gave, but......

With both my ACIII and the Apex, I have had issues with integration. What I mean by that is that when I begin setting up equipment, including my new Tunze 6105's tonight, I change a parameter and it doesn't take affect right away...sometimes. It sometimes makes a change and sometimes it doesn't. This happens with the AI control as well as the Tunze control etc. I have been successful for many years with the Neptune products and that is why I went with the Apex rather than changing. Many of the same issues remain.

Specifically back to the AI control, when I changed parameters in a given profile, sometimes the lights change and sometimes they don't...at least right away. It seems that there is a random timer that takes changes to the program and loads them to the embedded controller and executes them. The issue that I have is that it is random. so random that I have to sometimes unplug the entire Apex or ACIII system, plug it back in and get it to reboot before it takes (executes) the changes I made.

With the AI controller, changes are real time and therefore setting up the amount of Royal Blue light, Blue light and White light that I want is straight forward and consistent. Takes much less time than going through the programming necessary on the Apex to get it to work consistently. My plan in the end though is to implement the settings that I have on the AI controller on the Apex, when the 3 channel firmware is available. This is because I have found that having more Royal Blue than Blue is a much more appealing look.

BTW, the trouble I have had setting up my Tunze's tonight is very strange. I copied your profiles and outlets verbatim last week and programmed my Apex at that time. I received my Tunze's today and plugged them in and .....they didn't work. Well, one of them had constant output. Found that profiles were being automatically put into outlets that I didn't even edit/use. I had to implicitly "Set OFF" for each of them to eliminate the issues before the VDM variable speed ports started to operate in a logical manner. Still have some issues, but I have deviated from the thread topic more than enough already.
 
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Kenargo,
I know this is off-topic too, but do you happen to know what type of thermocouple input the Apex is configured for? J-Type, T-Type?

The reason I ask is because the sump filtration system I am building for my tank is in my basement and I would like to add Temps for both the sump and tank. And because my tank is on the main floor of my home, and my Apex will be in the basement, I have a longer wire run and I'm sure the standard Thermocouple probe cable length is not long enough.
 
Kenargo,
I know this is off-topic too, but do you happen to know what type of thermocouple input the Apex is configured for? J-Type, T-Type?

The reason I ask is because the sump filtration system I am building for my tank is in my basement and I would like to add Temps for both the sump and tank. And because my tank is on the main floor of my home, and my Apex will be in the basement, I have a longer wire run and I'm sure the standard Thermocouple probe cable length is not long enough.


I don't know to be honest but what I would do is to get the lowest price PMx modules, connect using a long AquaBus cable and use the real thing. If you call Curt, I'm sure he would share the information but I still thing the remove PM would be best and it would let you have a probe in the remote sump as well is need be.
 
kenargo:

I understand the profiles, although I am about run out of them (16 is not enough IMO). I know that Curt says he will be adding more....


Yes, I've heard that there will be additional profiles available coming soon...

kenargo:
With both my ACIII and the Apex, I have had issues with integration. What I mean by that is that when I begin setting up equipment, including my new Tunze 6105's tonight, I change a parameter and it doesn't take affect right away...sometimes. It sometimes makes a change and sometimes it doesn't. This happens with the AI control as well as the Tunze control etc. I have been successful for many years with the Neptune products and that is why I went with the Apex rather than changing. Many of the same issues remain.

Specifically back to the AI control, when I changed parameters in a given profile, sometimes the lights change and sometimes they don't...at least right away. It seems that there is a random timer that takes changes to the program and loads them to the embedded controller and executes them. The issue that I have is that it is random. so random that I have to sometimes unplug the entire Apex or ACIII system, plug it back in and get it to reboot before it takes (executes) the changes I made.

With the AI controller, changes are real time and therefore setting up the amount of Royal Blue light, Blue light and White light that I want is straight forward and consistent. Takes much less time than going through the programming necessary on the Apex to get it to work consistently. My plan in the end though is to implement the settings that I have on the AI controller on the Apex, when the 3 channel firmware is available. This is because I have found that having more Royal Blue than Blue is a much more appealing look.

BTW, the trouble I have had setting up my Tunze's tonight is very strange. I copied your profiles and outlets verbatim last week and programmed my Apex at that time. I received my Tunze's today and plugged them in and .....they didn't work. Well, one of them had constant output. Found that profiles were being automatically put into outlets that I didn't even edit/use. I had to implicitly "Set OFF" for each of them to eliminate the issues before the VDM variable speed ports started to operate in a logical manner. Still have some issues, but I have deviated from the thread topic more than enough already.

Yes, with the AC3 especially I remember that i would often need to unplug the AquaSurf and reconnect it in order to see program changes; I just got in the habbit of donig it. As I recall you could also change to manual off, then back to auto and the program would update.

I've seen this happen some with the Apex but much less (almost never). If you set ramp time to 1 (or 0) then it happens near never. I think what happens is that the current ramp values need to complete (or quiess) before the new ones take affect and I think Curt mentioned that he made the changes happen more quickly in the last release and after that update I haven't seen the problem again.

But back to the AI; I do like the ability to dial-in the values becuase they happen immediate but in my case once I get what I liked I moved the values to a profile so I really only use the AI controller for backup (in case of VDM death) and the initial tuning; I really haven't gone back to it.

One thing to remember with the VarSpeed pumps; if you don't enable sync then the pumps will not start in sequence and if you didn't want that and saw what appeared to be an out of sequence surge it would certainly mess with your head.
 
kenargo:

I have PM'd you to provide further insight into the issues that I am dealing with and asked for your review and possible assistance.

Thank you very much!
 
apuhl20: I have heard that Curt at Neptune has indicated that he is waiting for AI to provide the new interface definitions in order to control the three channels instead of the original 2 channel control. Speculation is that it will be a couple of months before there is a firmware upgrade.
 
apuhl20: I have heard that Curt at Neptune has indicated that he is waiting for AI to provide the new interface definitions in order to control the three channels instead of the original 2 channel control. Speculation is that it will be a couple of months before there is a firmware upgrade.


Correct; AI is not releasing the new protocol for 90 days; allowing the Ai controller to have exclusive on the new feature for a while before release to the controller companies.
 
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