algae problems?

Its a 29g reef. Been set up for a little over a month now. Lighting is 4x24 watt T5 system. Actinics go on at 10am and turn off at 8pm. Daylight bulbs go on at 11am and turn off at 7pm. In the beginning my tank was filled with tap water that I just treated for chlorine, chloramines, etc. I have been using RO water for a few weeks now since I fixed the unit. I suspect the tap water in the beginning may have had larger amounts of phosphates and those were to blame for the algae.

pH - 8.4
temp - 78F
ammonia - 0
nitrate - 0
nitrite - 0.1

All tested as of yesterday. I have 5 hermits, and several species of snails to take care of CUC. The mararitas cleared one rock of all algae, but still haven't gotten to much else.

Is there anything else that would be causing this? When I feed - its brine shrimp or pellets. I only feed what I can visibly see them eat before it even hits the bottom. Usually take a few minutes to squirt small amounts in and make sure everyone eats.

All fish and corals are healthy.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14846520#post14846520 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sisterlimonpot
what is your phosphate reading?

Negative on the phosphate reading. My test kits doesn't have a phosphate test. The ones at my LFS are like $40. Is that what you think it is?
 
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with you tank up only one month your live rock is probably still curing and creating phosphates and nitrates.
This is the fuel for algae. If you have algae then you have high levels of phosphates and nitrates.
I would wait it out a couple of more weeks---just don't aggrevate the problem by importing more phosphates and nitrates

not using any more tap water is a good start but also feed minimally---that can be a big source of importing phosphates.

what kind of flow do you have in your tank?

I still would either continue and start water changes of 20 -30 percent. They won't do much to reduce nitrates but will reduce any ammonia produced by the curing rock and will slowly get rid of the tap water that is probably still circulating phosphates.
 
xxwake4lifexx, one month is way to soon. Your tank is going to take 4-6 months to reach equilibrium. I had the same problem. I'm going into my 4th month and the (brown) algae is just about gone.

Most likely the tap water did not help the situation. If you do not have any coral, you can cut back on the light (daylights 6 hrs) until the tank is more stable. This will help but won't solve the problem.

In my situation the phosphates leeching from the dry rocks was the biggest problem. You are probably having the same issue. You just have to ride it out. CUC, water changes and manually removing the algae as much as possible.

Good luck.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14847369#post14847369 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
with you tank up only one month your live rock is probably still curing and creating phosphates and nitrates.
This is the fuel for algae. If you have algae then you have high levels of phosphates and nitrates.
I would wait it out a couple of more weeks---just don't aggrevate the problem by importing more phosphates and nitrates

not using any more tap water is a good start but also feed minimally---that can be a big source of importing phosphates.

what kind of flow do you have in your tank?

I still would either continue and start water changes of 20 -30 percent. They won't do much to reduce nitrates but will reduce any ammonia produced by the curing rock and will slowly get rid of the tap water that is probably still circulating phosphates.

Well when I bought my LR it was supposed to be cured already. It was sitting in the big pools of LR that a LFS has for rock. I'll cut back on feeding some more then. Would every other day be good, or every 3 days?

I think I have pretty good flow. I have 2 Koralia 2s and the bit of flow coming from the return of my mini fuge modded AC.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14848010#post14848010 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kwikdraw
xxwake4lifexx, one month is way to soon. Your tank is going to take 4-6 months to reach equilibrium. I had the same problem. I'm going into my 4th month and the (brown) algae is just about gone.

Most likely the tap water did not help the situation. If you do not have any coral, you can cut back on the light (daylights 6 hrs) until the tank is more stable. This will help but won't solve the problem.

In my situation the phosphates leeching from the dry rocks was the biggest problem. You are probably having the same issue. You just have to ride it out. CUC, water changes and manually removing the algae as much as possible.

Good luck.

Well its definitely a relief to hear that :thumbsup:. My rocks should have been cured though already when I got them. You guys say it should take months to settle down though. I was just worried I'd created something catastrophic!
 
Alright I'm actually seriously starting to get worried. It seems like its spreading farther everyday. I cleaned off the back of my glass and the stuff just kinds of falls off and disintegrates. Just tell me its normal and that something is wrong and I need to fix it :(. I'm worried.
 
Well I've decided to give my Sea Clown another fighting chance to prove to me that it can do something. Hooked it up and I'm letting it run for the next few days to see if it'll break it and lessen up on the insane amount of micro bubbles. If not, I'm going to buy the AquaC Remora, I believe. I'll try to get a picture of the collection cup up tonight or tomorrow or when ever I see something in there. The bubbles at the top of the chamber already have a "tea" color to them.

Hopefully this will help removes excessive nutrients from the water.
 
here are some other things you can be starting to do or doing them on a constant basis to eliminate nitrates and phosphates:

Capn's collection of shock and awe against algaeMost of the time algae is the symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.

Algae needs three things for the process of photosythesis to occur--carbon dioxide, light and food. If we could completely remove one of these elements it would not be able to survive.
Unfortunately in our reef tanks it is difficult to remove light and carbon dioxide completely but we can sereverly limit its food, mainly nitrates and phosphates.

If you have an algae problem then it should be approached in a way that limits the nitrates and phosphates in your water column

This is a combination of steps and practises rather then one magic bullet that will kill off all the algae in your tank.

Here is a list of practises that have been mentioned through a great number of posts that I have been proactive in and hopefully if they are together they might help

1. Feeding techniques----always feed less at one time but feed more often if the species of fish requires it. My fish always look hungry and so does my dog--they learn how to scam us humans very quickly.
Rinse off frozen prepared foods like brine shrimp and mysis shrimp. Quite often they contain phosphates and nitrates from die off in their holding tanks.

2. Flow rates and directions of flow can make a big difference
A rate that is quoted here quite often is that you should have between 20-40 times your tank volume in gph if your tank is mostly lps and even greater if mainly sps corals. There are still some expections with lps corals--you need to be on top of the husbandry requirements for each coral you have and place them accordingly.

Organic laden water slowly rises from the bottom of the tank to the top where it is skimmed off by various methods such as an overflow. Skimmed water is usually sent back to lower levels of the tank from the skimmer or sump via various ways such as loc lines.

In practical words this means that in the tank your flow should be directed to always enhance the above natural flow in the tank.
It should for a circle or semi circle and be pushed down, across the substrate up to the surface--across the surface--churning it up and towards the overflow

3.flow rates in the sump
The perfered answer for this question is between 5-10 times the total volume of your water column.
More importantly it should match the flow rate of your skimmer.
Otherwise unskimmed organic laden water is returned to the lower levels of the tank where it has to slowly make its way to the top like I desribed in the above flow senerio. This gives algae a second chance to have another lunch
This is also where flow rates and directions in the tank also help in this particular situation by getting the water back up to the top and out the overflow faster again.

Flow rates both in the sump and the tank are very important in the filtering process

4.Method of cleaning or tank maintenance
water changes---Randy has written in one of his articles that the ideal water change to remove nitrates is 30 per cent once of month
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php
other reefers have stated that immediate or every two week 20 percent water changes will reduce phosphates and ammonia quickly.cleaning the rockwork and substrate--once a week take a turkey baster and lightly baste the rock and substrate with it. this will get dissolved organics, phosphates and nitrates back into the water column where they can be filtered off instead of collecting and adding to the algae smorgasboard. Once again flow is very important in this also.

change your protein skimmer cup every other day

if running a filter sock change it everyother day---soak it in bleach and run it through a wash cycle with no soap. Let them dry in the air and the clorine will evaporate

5. tweaking equipment. Try not to run bioballs in filters. Replace them and all filter media with nothing!
The best use of a canister filter is to run straight carbon in it.

take skimmer pumps apart once a month and clean out the air venturis--make sure you have lots of air being combined to give a good foam column. This helps reduce organics but it also helps displace carbon dioxide with oxygen and keep your pH stable.

Once you have your levels of phosphates and nitrates in check then you may want to consider

1. running carbon and phospban in phosban reactors. the advantage to these is the water is forced through the entire media and can't take the easy way around the outside as when the media is put in a bag. Carbon can adsorb some phosphates and nitrates and the carbon is used by active bacteria in the tank

2. setting up a refugium with chaeto algae. You will need a good size refugium 20-30 gals and about 2-3 months of intensive cheato grow for it to make a noticeble difference on phosphates and nitrates. and the other advantage of a refugium is you get a larger and more variety of copopods, other inverts and good bacteria for the water column
There are many examples on this thread:
Refugiums the good bad and the ugly
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/s...hreadid=1349443

3. finding critters that eat algae. I leave this till the last because it is a problematic solution to algae. the critters don't always do what they are suppose to do. Putting some inverts in to eat a particular algae is great at the start but what do they feed on after they have eaten their specific food source.4. another method that is cropping up alot more now is the use of magnesium. Magnesium should be at 1300ppm in a reef tank to support a level over 400ppm of calcium. some reefers have reported great success with cranking the level of magnesium to 1600 pppm for two weeks. the aglae dies off and none have reported any death to corals, inverts or fish.
This is discussed in detail on this thread:
A solution to Bryopsis
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showt...hreadid=1113109

Excellent threads on fighting alagePhosphate starvation
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/s...hreadid=1383158

should I add a phosphate reactor
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showt...ghlight=phosban

how to remove phosphates
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showt...ghlight=phosban

Related reading(thanks to Highlandreefer for compiling them)

Phosphate and the Reef Aquarium
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-09/rhf/index.php

Nitrate in the Reef Aquarium
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...t2003/chem.htm

Problem Dinoflagellates and pH
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-11/rhf/index.php

The Complete Nitrogen Cycle
http://web.archive.org/web/200305101...&RecordNo=3090

Protein Skimming: How It Works
http://web.archive.org/web/200103090...skimmers2.html

Phosphorus: Algae's Best Friend
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...t2002/chem.htm
 
Awesome replies! Thanks. I've read through the vodka dosing one and the big long one you just left. I think I'm going to get Ca, Mg, and Phosphate tests within a couple days. The test kit I have now only tests alk, pH, ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite.

What is a good all-in-one test kit that can test for pH, alk, ammonia, nitrate, nitrate, Ca, Mg, and phosphate? In other words, what is RCs recommendation?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14853903#post14853903 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by xxwake4lifexx
Awesome replies! Thanks. I've read through the vodka dosing one and the big long one you just left. I think I'm going to get Ca, Mg, and Phosphate tests within a couple days. The test kit I have now only tests alk, pH, ammonia, nitrate, and nitrite.

What is a good all-in-one test kit that can test for pH, alk, ammonia, nitrate, nitrate, Ca, Mg, and phosphate? In other words, what is RCs recommendation?

I don't think there is an all in one nor one that would be RC's recommendation.
Personally I prefer the salifert tests for mag, cal, alk, phosphates and nitrates.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14854009#post14854009 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
I don't think there is an all in one nor one that would be RC's recommendation.
Personally I prefer the salifert tests for mag, cal, alk, phosphates and nitrates.

That's the brand that I almost bought before, but I wasn't sure if it was good.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14853832#post14853832 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
another solution is to boost up your magnesium to 1600 ppm

Here is a link to the thread:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1113109
alright capn, hopefully I can catch you this time I followed behind you before when you suggested bringing mag up to 1600, and asked a few questions and never got a response. Anyway, Here they are...
First what happens to calc and alk when you do this. does it drop? and because of that, the ph does it become unstable?
 
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