Algae Scrubber Basics

aren't, iron and/or some other trace metals are necessary too? or am I mistaken? Could these technically become limiting factors?
Absolutely. Iron is a great example, because while technically a micro nutrient, it is typically required in quantities much higher than other micros (or trace elements). Though it is still needed MUCH less than the true macro nutrients: NPK & C.

As you say, anything consumed can be limiting. But micro nutrients are less likely to do so, for a couple of reasons. First, before becoming limited by a micronutrient, most plants will begin pulling that nutrient from its own tissues. So new growth can still occur at the cost of old growth dying off sooner than it otherwise would. So a "bottoming out" event of a micro will typically manifest itself by gradual die-off as growth continues. However, that may be something only higher order plants can do (I don't honestly know). A second reason why micro's are less likely to be limiting than macro's is because they typically exist (in natural settings) in excess of actual need. It's the macros that most plant life use up first.

But not always. So yes, micros can limit too.

FWIW - I dose my reef tank with a tiny amount of micros every week (KZ Trace Element Complex) specifically to ensure that micros never become limiting to either my corals, or the algae I'm trying to grow. And regular water changes ensures that the concentration of unused traces never reaches an unhealthy concentration. For the average reefer - performing regular small water changes - running out is not impossible, but also (I suspect) a bit unlikely.
 
This needs to be a subforum.

180 pages and I'm about to give up reading. In fact I am going and reading some other site that reefcentral won't let me post here

Page 81 Sticky When floyd Does a summary
Page 131 Sticky Floyd does a foreward or V2 Summary

People have before and after shots (Individual Threads)
Upflow Scrubbers should have separate threads
Waterfall Scrubbers should have separate threads
Dumptray Scrubbers should have separate threads
Lighting for Scrubbers should have a sticky and separate threads
Hang On Tank or Side should have separate threads
Flow and Lighting needs should have a sticky and separate threads
Questions should be asked in individual threads

If any subject has 227 pages things have been repeated to many times. Thanks for the info I'm sold. So I don't need to see before and after. I want to look at upflow and hang on side or hang on tank. (most of posts are waterfall) Thanks for all that have put so much work (Extra thanks to Floyd)in refining Scrubbers.....

Subforum.......
 
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That would be nice to have a sub forum, but then would you need one for biopellets, DSBs, etc.....

Linking to other forums is blocked on RC. But there are several other forums dedicated to algae scrubbers.
 
I made a few changes to my scrubber. I measured my actual flow. All I can say is wow it was really low. I was about 60-80gph to low for my screen size. I cut my screen from 8" to 6" and cut a new piece of PVC. The flow looked a lot better. Then I increased the tubing on some of my plumbing from 1/2" vinyl to 1" vinyl. Again wow, I haven't measured to actual flow yet but it is way more. I probably could have kept my wider screen. We will see how everything grows out over the next few weeks.

My scrubber is way louder now that I have more flow. Any suggestions?

Also I get a lot of air because I feed my scrubber with my overflow. Any thoughts on reducing the gurgling from the air?
 
Disagree with the subforum thing.

Not enough disscussion/creation routes about (biopellets, DSB's......) warrants a Sub-forum. Also are there multiple routes when creating a DSB or Biopellet reactor?

Like I said earlier there are routes that can be taken on creating a scrubber. Upflow, Waterfall, Dump, Hang on Tank or side (Choose a route) Then once you choose a route find lighting, flow, sq in of screen (That would take 227 pages of reading and cut it significantly down)

Once those threads are read. People can show before and after pictures. People can ask questions. All those things wouldn't need to be put in a thread that has 227 pages. For those that haven't been following the thread from the beginning, 220+ pages sucks to read (especially if your only interested in Floyds summary's and what others have done in Hang on Tank and upflow Skimmers)

My case That's some sticky's (Maybe 2-3) and some threads that have upflow or hang on tank designs, not a thread that's 227 pages.
 
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Floyd: Little update as of Jan 18th
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It still seemed a little mushy when I was scraping it off but still looks great.
Any suggestions?
 
Santa Monica DROP.2 Upflow Scrubber--anyone using this OR opinions????

Santa Monica DROP.2 Upflow Scrubber--anyone using this OR opinions????

Anyone using (or have thoughts about) the Santa Monica DROP.2 Upflow Algae Scrubber. I have a Nano Cube 28 and this would fit nicely in the back compartment.

http://www.santa-monica.cc/DROP2-dr...-surfaces--02-cubes-feeding-per-day_p_47.html

I'm a little concerned about having the LED in the water (even though it is sealed).

I'm wondering how loud it is if the top of the scrubber is above the water line (which prevents bubbles)?
 
The holes looked good, seemed like there was growth in all the holes. Like I said it seemed mushy to me when I scraped it off but I'm assuming that throughout maturity it will become a very HA growth?
 
What are your thoughts about how clean to scrape the screen. I have an upflow algae scrubber and I get some growth that looks like 'turf algae' (both read and green) that is really hard to get off, especially between the holes. Is it helpful to get the screen white again?

Any tips for cleaning it. A stiff toothbrush does not really work on this stuff if I'm trying to get it white again.
 
I was going to recommend a stiff toothbrush so there goes that suggestion.

Try a grout & tile brush, $2 from Home Depot (in the broom & dustpan section).
 
Generally you only want to scrape and not scrub the screen.

The exception is when you get red turf algae growing. You want to occasionally scrub this away to encourage the faster-growing GHA.
 
Haven't gone to clear plastic yet, Michaels is across the street and far too inconvenient :lol:

Good growth.
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And that was last week, pre-scrape.
 
I realize this question has probably been asked, but this thread is 100pgs long.

I have been using a couple of the 23w CFL bulbs on a 8x11 single sided ATS. I am really tired of changing bulbs, and always cleaning the salt creep off them.

I want to with LEDs for several reasons, one of the major is so I can raise the bulb/fixutre away from the spash and salt creep, only want to move it back about 6inches.

Does anyone have any experience with the reefbreeders fuge light with the red and blue LED's? I know, early on you guys were reporting that the par 38 bulbs really werent as effective as the CFL ?

And, can one of the reefbreeders fuge lights replace 2 of the CFL? I am assuming that by moving it back the single bulb will create a better spread, and the LED's will have enough intensity increase that I wont have to keep them right on the scrubber
 
Yeah reefbreeders tyep of LED floodlights can work, there seems to be a sweet spot with this type of fixture so you might need to play with that a bit. These types of fixtures usually have a removable bezel that holds the lenses on the LEDs.

If you have it too far away, then you might not get the intensity you want. Leaving the lenses on would be what you would do in this case.

Mounting the fixture closer would mean that you would probably want to remove the lenses from at least the blue LEDs, if not a few of the reds as well.

If your screen grows nicely under CFL, then your scrubber properly is working on your setup. Switching the light source should not cause it to stop working.
 
I read most of this thread and other sites that i can and i am interest in starting and ATS - my question is about the size - Page 1 ATS - BASICS suggests 10x10 size screen but i found on this site and others that the size of the screen is determined by the amount of cubes/food fed daily. I think two cube/ day is actually 3"x8" screen (lit on both sides) or 6" x 8" lit on 1 side.

Has the BASICS listed on page 1 stating 10"x10" now obsolete?

Also, is a wider x shorter screen the recommended route or a narrower x longer screen recommended?

Thanks
 
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