AlgaeFix Marine to control Hair Algae

i had used it in march-april 09 with fantastic results and no losses at all, incl shrimp and clams. took 3 doses, precise as i could get them. i never added it again. right now i am suffering with lots of ha, so i just put in my first af dose of 14ml.
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and some lime green/yellow matting algae
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and also some long filamentous stuff
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it also makes bubbles
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will keep updates as they occur. can anyone identify this crap??
 
It looks a lot like derbesia but I am not positive. Other areas look like they have some dinos mixed in. Other areas look like some cyano with dinos mixed in. You do have an assortment of pests.

If it is derbesia, then the AlgaeFix will not work on it. :(

I am interested in what control you achieve. :)
 
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cliff, thanks for the info. i read almost this entire thread after i posted. i have 2 tanks plumbed together, running phosban and that's all. i figured 147 galls total. i pulled some of the greenest stuff out and it was really toughly attached. i have a lot of flow wityh an external pump 2 tunzes and 4 koralias. i think the cause may have been starting to feed my corals. i don't really do a lot of fish feeding, but i used hikari tiny pellets to spot feed acans and others. i have stopped that in addition to even less food for the fish. tanks are skimmed w/a modded asm g3 in a homemade 30 gal sump. 6X 54 watts on the 75, 6 X39 watts on the 65, on less than 11 hrs a day. 65 tank is 13 months old and the 75 is 3, but was seeded with the 65's sand rock water and critters. the 2 tanks though d seem to be not infested by the lime green stuff [just the 65] and most of the green crap is in the 75.
i anticipate good rersults based on my previous experience with af.
i also have a fw pond outside and would NEVER again use af fw in it. a very dangerous medicine; unless you know the exact gallonage of fw avoid it! and aeration is essential.
 
I am on my 9th does of AF and all seems to be going well. My HA is almost gone. My question is the HA is turning red to almost burgandy as it is dying. Is this what others are noticing?
 
Hopefully the RO/DI would remove stuff from your water....

It's possible that phosphates and/or nitrates came in via the new salt. Have you tried testing the phosphate levels of a fresh batch of salt water using a good quality low range phosphate kit (ie, don't use the API, it's way too high-range).
That would be my guess. Can't test the salt as it was a bucket I had bought like 9 months ago and was used up probably back in August or September. I switched to Seachem Reef and now use Salinity.
 
some salts do contain po4 but remember that even if the hair algae dies whats left will still"fuel" the live stuff .remove as much as possible as then the po4 is removed with it .the snails ,crabs ,sea hairs and fish that consume the HA will release the po4 back into the tank in their waste .the po4 gets consumed by them but not removed permanently so it important to attack that through GFO so it gets removed .
 
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2nd dose this morning. nothing different so far. i am doing my usual changing 15% water on the second day [day 8] then adding the 3rd dose on day 9
 
I haven't read all 42 pages on this thread, but wanted to add my 2 cents worth. I battled HA for many months, did all the usual things, keeping a clean tank, manual removal of algae (wore out two tooth bushes), nutrients low to zero the hole time, tangs, blennies, urchins, CUC. Cliff helped me many times through the hole thing, finally used algaefix. It took several doses but did kill the HA, left some dead algae debris that would not scrub off but no ill effects on any thing else in the tank. It took couple more months for the debris to clear up but tank is finally algae free!! Along the way while trying to starve the algae out I starved corals to the point it started a STN when I started up a GFO reactor (near as any one can tell). The only thing that makes since to me as to why this took so long, is that there was stored phosphates in my rocks some how. Any way very long story short algaefix worked, no ill effects at all!

Thank you Cliff & all others who helped me get through this!
 
Luther,

I have read similar responses to red turf algae as this hobbyist below. Naturally, all red turf algae is not the same genus or species, so I can not conclude that AF would not work in your situation. I don't know if you tried the mag. method for control or not? I do know that AF works on some macroalgae but it takes at least 10 doses. :(

http://forums.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3219177

This is one hobbyists response regarding your question:

From it:

"Hmmmmm.....sounds like turf algae. I'm fighting this problem as well. Believe me, it is a fight. This particularly pernicious stuff clings to the rock. There's no way of removing it completely by hand or by scrubbing. It breaks off at the base, and the tiniest thread will regrow the colony. It will grow over the stony bases of corals and smother them if left unchecked. It survives under very little light, and seems to be able to soak up the tiniest amount of phosphate and use it to explode into larger colonies.

Have I scared ya? Good, 'cause it's scary stuff. Here's a list of things I've done, what effectiveness, and what I still want to do. Hopefully someone can use this as a preventative before their personal battles get as out of hand as mine has.

First, you should know that mine started showing up at about 6 months of bulb age. Small patches came in here and there, that's it. And I ignored it. The small patches grew quickly, and I replaced the lights at around 9 months. I didn't see any reduction in the algae, despite weekly 20% water changes. At some point this stuff seems to reach a critical mass, and it EXPLODES everywhere in your tank. Everywhere I looked I saw reddish hues floating in the currents. I tried removing the rocks and scrubbing by hand. I'd get the rocks down to about an 8th of an inch, but I could never get it completely off.

I've added a foxface (wanted one anyway). I heard that tangs are hit-and-miss with this algae, but the foxface might be more helpful. This turned out to be helpful, as the 'Face now keeps the algae at least trimmed to a short level on the rocks.

I tried API's Marine Algaefix. This stuff is reef safe (supposedly), but it did nothing at all for the red turf algae. Didn't make a single dent.

I heard that mexican turbo snails are 50/50 on this stuff. The ones I had existing in the tank weren't doing a thing. I got 4 more, and for some reason the new ones started eating it. It's almost as if the algae wasn't recognized as food to the snails that were present as it grew, but the new snails mowed right in to it. Trouble is, I think you'd need 20-30 snails to make a true dent. And AGAIN, snails don't eat it down completely! So don't consider this a permanent fix. It will come back.

Finally, I've been running phosgard and purigen pillows in the sump under the filter floss. I change it out once a month. Since I've added the phosgard and purigen I've notice an additional recession of the red turf, and increased coralline growth in the places the algae receded.

Whew. Long post, but your comment reminded me that this needed to be printed. So, you can see the steps I've taken to get rid of this nasty crap. I'm seeing some turnaround, but not enough. The next step for me is going to be a GFO reactor to remove a much greater amount of phosphate. I may also have to consider a DIY Nitrate reactor, but we'll see.

The bad news is this stuff is NOT like hair algae. I don't think lawnmower blennies are going to do much good for you here, and I don't have any experience with sea hares so I can't comment on them. The rabbitfish family seems to be pretty effective at keeping it mown down, but it's still very visible.

If the stuff is just in spots right now, I would go ahead and get more turbos. Keep picking them up and putting them over the patches. Consider a foxface or a rabbitfish, and see where your sources of phosphates are coming from. Mine was from the RODI water I bought from my LFS. Yup. I've since learned that many LFS RODI units are sub-par only because they're used so often. I tested my topoff water one day when I brought it home and discovered it had been the source of my phosphates all along. You may also want to consder adding phosgard or a GFO reactor to your system. Good Luck!"
 
Thanks HighlandReefer, guess it doesn't look good. I do have a bottle and I might try it anyway. But first I will wait, because I recently started upping my Vinegar dosage and I want to see if this helps. If I do decide to try it I will keep you updated.
 
Your welcome.

If you find a solution, let us know. It appears that red turf type algaes are difficult to control at best, which is the case for many other types of algae as well. :(
 
it is quite selective in what types of algae it will kill .some day some way they will develop a much more broader spectrum type that will eliminate many kinds of algae .but for now it does wonders on the hair algae and it pretty much stops there .no po4,very low nutrient import will always help with any kind that i have come across .
 
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