AlgaeFix Marine to control Hair Algae

can anyone help me with this one..

after using af marine..the hair cleaned up but this is on the sand bed...

photo is not great..sorry hard to get good detail on it...

only on the sand bed and in areas that are not extremely bright...

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Can't say for sure what it is from your photo.

If it is growing only on the sand bed, I would start with cleaning the sand bed, as long as it is not deeper than say 3". This pest could be grabbing nutrients dropped down into your sand bed. ;)

I would recommend a regular maintenance procedure of your sand bed after the initial cleaning at water change time. In some cases cleaning the sand bed can drive nutrients up if you have not regularly maintained it. ;)
 
Quick update. After probably 10-12 weeks of AFM use, I discontinued. I found that all my corals (mostly softies and zoos with a few LPS) didn't love it that much. There were no deaths but definitely deminished polyp extension, which has completely reversed since discontinuing. The pest algae I am still fighting is definitely stunted but it did not die back in any way. Perhaps it's outside the control of this product. Interstingly, even after 5 weeks of non use, I still get no green hazing on my glass. I think this product is good for it's intended pupose but has species control limitations. I also think that my corals truly suffered no permanent detriment.
 
kharmaguru,

I agree with your findings as well. AF worked for one problem specie of algae I had but not another (I believe was Derbesia) had no effect after extended AF use. AF will not kill all algae species. From what I can tell from the posts in this thread, if AF does not control your pest say within 10 doses I would discontinue its use. Long term effects of AF use killed my Chaeto. :(
 
One algae species that may be common in reef tanks is Cladophora. There are large reef areas around Hawaii and in the Mediterranean that are covered by it & has spread throughout the world. It also will overun coral. The AlgaeFix Marine label says it will control the Cladophora.

Cladophora sericea
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Cellular structure
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Dinoflagellates are not on the label for AF. I have no experience with dinos. It could work as well as not. Perhaps the manufacturer never tested for dinos with AF. Perhaps they did and it didn't work. If you decide to try it, please let me know the results. :)

IMHO, the cancer factor for the state of California only is a little excessive and is not a concern. I personally would follow the label without concerns. ;)

I tried AF for Dino and it works well !
It took me 2 doses only (every 3 days) in addition to Ph increasment to 8.5 level - to see how Dino take apart... :thumbsup:

Now I am dosing once in a week just to keep the Dino "leftovers" from recovering.
 
Verti,

This is interesting. ;)

You don't by chance still have a bit of this pest you can take pictures of?

Perhaps if others try AF on dinos this will help confirm your results. :)
 
Hi Cliff,
There are some "leftovers" from this pest, but I am not sure how it will came out when photo (its shape is now much more like mulm or mocus than an algea or Dino. I assume this is how it looks like when dying).
Anyway, I will try to photo it.

BTW,
I was told that Dino is sensitive to Ph 8.5 and up, so I can't tell exactlly what helped to destory Dino in my reef - PH level or AF.
 
Yes, it's hard to determine what exactly killed your dino pest. If the pest is just reduced to a dead mass, pics likely won't help. ;)

It's good to hear you're finally beating this pest. :)
 
HighlandReefer

I have fear why is carcinogenic

i bought the product and I have not used

What recommendations can you give me?

Especially for the hands, when i do maintenance on the tank

Thanks

Best Regards
 
AlgaeFix Marine when used properly in a reef tank should have very little risk. The active ingredient in AlgaeFix Marine is also used as a biocide at much greater concentrations in applications such as boilers and is used in some foods to help prevent bacterial growth. The major concern is in situations where it is used at much higher concentrations and in food materials. The risks in these situations are of concern. In a reef tank the concentration of the active ingedient is very low. When using the concentrate in the bottle which has much higher concentrations of the active ingredient, one should follow the label and use gloves and eye protection, but once dissolved in the tank water there really should be no problems.

Keep in mind all substances we use have some toxicity. Many of the foods we eat, particularly vegetibles contain carcenogens as well. You would be surprised how many carcinogens you eat daily. Have you read the label on the gas tank when you pump your gas. Gasoline is very toxic and a known carcinogen, yet people use it daily without concerns, primarily due to lack of alternatives. I'm not trying to reduce concerns regarding the chemicals we use. They all should be respected and used acording to the labels. I'm just trying to provide a perspective here. The medicines we take, all have side effects of some sort, especially if the are properly regulated by the FDA. Those botanicals that people take which are not approved by FDA contain some very toxic substances in many cases & people feel since they are natural there is no problem. Many have unknown ingredients in them. ;)

This article may be of interest regarding the biocides including AlgaeFix:

EPIDEMIOLOGY / TOXICOLOGY
PLENARY SESSION

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour..._NjRAw&usg=AFQjCNHCukBKdGgrA7EoIlfm4xSEDdwpaA

From it:

"DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSIONS
Industrial biocides are toxic by design. Unlike
other, equally toxic industrial chemicals (strong
acids, caustic, solvents, etc.) their primary value
depends on their ability to kill microbes without
adversely affecting other coolant per-formance
properties. The benefits derived from biocide use
must be balanced against the economic and health
impacts.
Although there is general consensus regarding
the link between microbial contamination and
product rancidity(5) the same is not true regarding
the role of metalworking fluid microbes and
employee health.(6) However, a growing body of
data suggest that uncontrolled microbial growth
may, in fact, present a significant health risk.(7,8)
Considering then the economic and potential
health risks associated with uncontrolled microbial
contamination, one can make a strong argument
that the benefits, associated with biocide use, outweigh
the risks. The caveat here is using
appropriate products in appropriate applications.
Toxicological dose responses typically are not
linear. That is, if a chemical’s LD50 = 1,000
mg/kg, it does not necessarily follow that 250
mg/kg will kill 25-percent of the test population.
This concept is important to understand. Many
industrial biocide active ingredients are also used
routinely as preservatives in personal care
products, food packaging materials and other
“intimate contact” applications. In these products
the potential for biocide ingestion and absorption
is much greater than it is through incidental contact
with metalworking fluids. Consequently, the risk
lies in misuse rather than incidental exposure due
to biocide use in accordance with manufacturer’s
instructions.
The toxicological data provide one basis for
matching products with intended applications; and
should be considered in context with solubility,
volatility, half-life, efficacy and treatment cost
data. Skin sensitizing products may be used riskfree,
if they are built into metalworking fluid
concentrates, eliminating the possibility of direct
contact at the plant. Volatile products are best
suited for use in low-mist, low heat applications.
Broad category monikers, such as HCHOcondensate
biocide are virtually meaningless.
Manufacturing personnel responsible for coolant
formulation or coolant system maintenance should
be wary of claims that either promote or condemn
biocide groups, based on toxicological properties.
As with all industrial products the risk associated
with biocides lies mostly in product abuse, not use."
 
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Cliff,
In your list of 17 algae control methods I noticed Algaefix as a last resort but no mention of a algae turf scrubber. In your opinion is an ATS potentially a tool to fight back display algae outbreaks (short or long term problems)?
 
Yes an algae turf scrubber can be added to the list since it does do a fine job of reducing nitrate and phosphate. The only potential problem I see with an ATS would be if pest algae are growing in it, which could possible serve as a source for re-infestation. The same holds true if one uses a refugium and it becomes pest infested. ;)
 
The active ingredient in AlgaeFix breaks down quickly, within 24 hrs. So I would not do a water change for 24 hrs after you add it. You should be dosing it every three days. ;)

The best time to do a water change would be just before you dose it.
 
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