Alk and SPS

Jeffie

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Trying to get my consumption rates down. Also, seeing what everyone who has a SPS dominated reef keeps there Alk. at?

Water as of now.

mag 1200
cal. 420- drops to about 360 every 24hrs.
alk. 3.5 meq/l. Yesterday it was at 4.5 meq/l. So it looks like I'm using about 1.0 a day with kalk dripping.

What's everyone doing to keep it consistent and where are you keeping yours at?

thanks, Jeff
 
I mix my Kalk appx 2 tsp./gal... I think that's as much as the water can take without using vinegar. Then I cut that in half with RO/DI and drip that 24/7. It keeps my levels pretty much rock solid. [ Alk 8.3 Ca 420 ] I think the only way to determine yours is keep adjusting until you find out what your tanks needs are. It sure make life easy once you figure out the proper amount though :) I really don't even test my Ca anymore, I do the Alk test and if it's where it's supposed to be I know the Ca is in line as well.
 
I use kalk drip at 1 per second, stirred 2x day for one minute on 250g bb system. I run a ca reactor and use IO / Oceanic for high calcium consumption from a high load of sps and clams. My calcium is nailed solid at 440. Oh, Dkh at 9 and ph at 8.33
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8039546#post8039546 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PUGroyale
I mix my Kalk appx 2 tsp./gal... I think that's as much as the water can take without using vinegar. Then I cut that in half with RO/DI and drip that 24/7. It keeps my levels pretty much rock solid. [ Alk 8.3 Ca 420 ] I think the only way to determine yours is keep adjusting until you find out what your tanks needs are. It sure make life easy once you figure out the proper amount though :) I really don't even test my Ca anymore, I do the Alk test and if it's where it's supposed to be I know the Ca is in line as well.

Are you using anything besides kalk to suppliment?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8046012#post8046012 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jeffie
Are you using anything besides kalk to suppliment?

No... one of the benefits of having a small SPS tank :D Even if my consumption doubles I should still be fine dripping Kalk. Sorry I don't use the other scale...
 
IMO you might be creating some precipitation by having your alkalinity reach 4.5 meq.lt. The high of the range shall be 4.0 meq/lt with a stable at 3.5 as your target. Your PH might also be hitting high.
What hints me to precipitation is that if it were normal consumption your Calcium will drop by only 20 ppm with a drop of 1 meq/lt in the alkalinity.

Target your Magnesium at 1300 to beter maintain the Calcium, try keeping alkalinity at 3.5 meq/lt and the Calcium at 420.
My recommendation is to try experimenting with less addition of Kalk (Or slower) or alternativelly a less concentrated solution of 1 tsp/meq/lt.
 
I'm finding it very hard to run my tank alk at 8,with my reactor.I lose about 3 gallons of water a day. I'm always have a battle with PH with the AC on,and outside diesn't help my skimmer as for PH.I tried dripping the 3 gallons of Kalk,but then my Alk goes to high.What I want to do is drip the kalk to keep my PH up.But running the reactor and 3 gallons of kalk almost seems impossible.Still trying to figure this out,on how low the Alk in the tank be to meet the kalk makeup,to get alk to run at 8.5 or so.Anyone have any input here,or been down this road?Any input would help me here also,being talking Alk.
Thanks
Folks
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8048398#post8048398 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefflections
I'm finding it very hard to run my tank alk at 8,with my reactor.I lose about 3 gallons of water a day. I'm always have a battle with PH with the AC on,and outside diesn't help my skimmer as for PH.I tried dripping the 3 gallons of Kalk,but then my Alk goes to high.What I want to do is drip the kalk to keep my PH up.But running the reactor and 3 gallons of kalk almost seems impossible.Still trying to figure this out,on how low the Alk in the tank be to meet the kalk makeup,to get alk to run at 8.5 or so.Anyone have any input here,or been down this road?Any input would help me here also,being talking Alk.
Thanks
Folks


Do what I do, don't use saturated limewater. I use 1 teaspoon per gallon instead of 2. Keeps the pH up and the Ca reactor maintains the majority of the alkalinity.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8048398#post8048398 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefflections
I'm finding it very hard to run my tank alk at 8,with my reactor.I lose about 3 gallons of water a day. I'm always have a battle with PH with the AC on,and outside diesn't help my skimmer as for PH.I tried dripping the 3 gallons of Kalk,but then my Alk goes to high.What I want to do is drip the kalk to keep my PH up.But running the reactor and 3 gallons of kalk almost seems impossible.Still trying to figure this out,on how low the Alk in the tank be to meet the kalk makeup,to get alk to run at 8.5 or so.Anyone have any input here,or been down this road?Any input would help me here also,being talking Alk.
Thanks
Folks

What you are looking for is a combination of a Kalk reactor and Ca reactor addition that does maintain an stable Alaklinity.
You basically have two variables The alkalinity by the Kalk (K) plus the Alk of the Ca reactor (C) = Alk consumption of the tank. (T)

Because the addition from saturated Kalk is relatively fixed constant) and can be known assuming the 3 gallons of saturaed Kalk per day and also the alkalinity consumption of the tank can be known by stopping all supplementation and testing over a period of 24 or 48 hours to see the drop then you have that:
C=T-K
In simple form adjust your Calcium reactor to just fulfill what Kalk can't
Step one, shut down the calcium reactor and supplement only saturated Kalk test Alk every 24 hours. If alkalinity still drops then turn on the Ca reactor and adjust it while still adding the Kalk in a way that the alkalinity stops dropping. Start slow and increase the ouput of the reactor until alkalinity stops dropping.
Now if alkalinity increases with only the Kalk then you do not need the Calcium reactor and you need to prepare a less than saturated solution of Kalk or add less than your evaporation for which you need a timer for the Kalk and an independent auto top off of RO/DI co handle the difference.

This might help you when adjusting the reactor.
http://jdieck1.home.comcast.net/reactor.html
 
Are you saying the one teaspoon per gallon doesn't effect your Alk at ALL ? If you don't mind,what is your tank Alk? Just having a real hard time getting the bubble count to run really slow/without totally stopping.It's a dual chamber My Reef Creations.And also want to CO2 to break down the media.But thanks for the heads up on the 1 Tea.if it doesn't change your Alk.Any more info you might have or want to try would be great.
Many Thanks
 
No,

Certainly it has an effect on alkalinity, but it's main purpose is to elevate the pH. The Ca reactors main purpose is to maintain alk and calcium; it's sort of a balance. Since the reactor's output goes in the same spot that both overflows are going into, the CO2 is driven off rather quickly; then it's skimmed on top of that. I keep my alk at about 8 or a little above.

I have a really good needle valve on my CO2 regulator, so I can obtain precise adjustments with it.
 
Thank you Jdieck,for your very detail instructions here.Boy you make it sound so easy.So we will see.how this goes.I hope you don't mind hearing from me again?That's only if things don't seem right or a question for you ,in a few days.I just send you and email if you don't mind?And let other folks,get on here if they want.But again MANY THANKS.And just maybe you won't have to get that email from me:p
Curt
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8048632#post8048632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefflections
Just having a real hard time getting the bubble count to run really slow/without totally stopping.It's a dual chamber My Reef Creations.And also want to CO2 to break down the media
Issues with unstable CO2 flow are reduced to three posibilities:

a) Quality of the regulator: for a low stable flow a stable low delivery pressure is required from the regulator. Unfortunatly quality dual stage regulators required to do so are rare in the aquarium business so we need to live with what we get. Usually a single stage like the ones we use will surge up and down when trying to be set at a low discharge pressure (Less than 20 psi). In other words it will open, rise the pressure then close and until the pressure drops again it will open again so instead of proportionally regulating the pressure it acts like an on off valve which breaks havoc with the stability. Try setting the outlet pressure between 25 and 30 psi in the outlet gauge while the flow is running.

b) Unfortunately the higher pressure will make the needle valve more sensitive, a very small turn may imply a rather large change in the bubble rate. Try adjusting your bubble rate and if it is a bit too fast, instead of readjusting the needle valve use the regulator's pressure knob to lower the delivery pressure a bit and vice versa.

c) Another source of issues is usually the CO2 check valve or the absence of one. , DOmetimes the check valve needs too much pressure to open thus also generating surge. Pressure in the line increases, vlave opens pressure drops and so on, if you notice this behaviour try a new good quality check valve. (D'Nearle is my preferred one)

Finally changes in temperature can change the adjustment. As the temperature around the needle valve changes the aperture between the needle and the seat changes and the bubble rate changes.. This effect is anoying but not critical, your reactor will operate at various PH levels troughout the day but in overall it will still in average deliver the required alkalinity.

So in summary:
Try playing with a combination of regulator pressure knob and needle valve to facilitate the adjustment, review your check valve and finally, a PH controller can make your life a lot easier as it will alow more deviation in the bubble rate than if you do not have one.

If everything fails then we will need to work toward achieving stability inside the reactor and the recirculation pump. (Media size, media mushing, pump capacity, trapped air or bubbles, feeding method and so on)
 
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