All Equal In the End

Often when you cheap out you cost yourself more with having to replace down the line. The most expensive gear is usually not necessary and you are just over spending for the name. Not unique to this hobby.

As far as the LED issue, it needs to just go away. LEDs work well and every bit as good as the other light choices for any coral. All my pieces were grown from frags under nothing but LED for the last 2.5 years. My tank is about 80% SPS.

Anyone that hasn't seen his tank, he isn't lying.

You were my inspiration for trying hydra hds. Although I failed because I like to tinker too much with my lighting... I went T5 so there was nothing to tinker with... haha. We all have to know our limitations. I think the argument on led vs t5 vs halide now comes down to patience and understanding. LEDs work as well as any if applied correctly, same as any other source of light. Just seems that some people apply them correctly, but a lot don't, or don't give them long enough to take off before writing them off. Your tank is awesome and living proof that LEDs can be successful with sps.
 
I think of you gotta split hairs on cost of the hobby or any hobby then it's prolly not for you. I like the nicer stuff, still believe you get what you pay for. If I buy a nicer pump vs some cheap China crap that either electrocutes me or triples the chances of my house burning down then that's all the info I need to buy the nicer piece of equipment. 2 years ago I was shopping for smoke alarms, I could get some cheap ones for $10 that will sound til they kill the battery or a nest alarm that will tell me over a text something is up at my house if I'm not home. They are $100 but if it bought me the time to come home or check my webcam and save someone's life, my dogs lives and save me the inconvenience of being homeless I'll spend the $90 extra.
 
With all due respect I completely disagree with this. I think creating an environment by restricting a budget to basic or cheap components is an insult to the industry. Creating a setting where a million different things could go wrong IMO is just straight irresponsible. I would rather not have a tank then hook a canister filter to a 30 gallon one. Reefing is an expensive hobby. I don't think anyone should attempt to make due with creating an environment that is sustained by things are barely meant for freshwater. Even some of the most well known companies in the industry have stated that reef organism are among the top 2 hardest things to keep alive in captivity. They deserve more than a canister filter and hydrometer out of respect.

So you don't believe in a budget or the saying live within your means? Odd. I'd suggest you re-read what you quoted and replied to because nowhere in the post did they say buy cheap. Know your limits, plan, and buy the right equipment for the environment you are trying to recreate. Simple really.

There are things you need, there things you don't. There is low tech, high tech, and everything in-between. It is a hobby with many ways different ways to be successful. Which is why you see the post above questioning if they should tear down their tank because it doesn't meet your idea or others who do no water change at all yet have SPS growing out of the water.

I'll reply in turn. With all due respect I'll go ahead and address the Elephant in the room. Your post is nothing more than a fire starter and you are a troll.

Hopefully the thread will get closed.
 
So you don't believe in a budget or the saying live within your means? Odd. I'd suggest you re-read what you quoted and replied to because nowhere in the post did they say buy cheap. Know your limits, plan, and buy the right equipment for the environment you are trying to recreate. Simple really.

There are things you need, there things you don't. There is low tech, high tech, and everything in-between. It is a hobby with many ways different ways to be successful. Which is why you see the post above questioning if they should tear down their tank because it doesn't meet your idea or others who do no water change at all yet have SPS growing out of the water.

I'll reply in turn. With all due respect I'll go ahead and address the Elephant in the room. Your post is nothing more than a fire starter and you are a troll.

Hopefully the thread will get closed.
Dont report him.He was saying his honest opinion but was using a bad tone.He trolled a bit but we all have somme days when we post random stuff while hitting the bottle or caused by anxiety or somme otther reasons.Its freedom of speech.
 
I think you missed the point. If you want to use the analogy, you can own a taurus, a mustang, or a porsche. The taurus will go, but it won't win on the track and wasn't designed to that. A mustang and a porsche can duke it out on the track, but that better driver will win.
The thing is, some of us want to drive on the street, some want to push it a bit on the highway, and some want to drive on the track.

In my case, driving a porsche vs mustang won't yield a better track time because I ain't got nascar drivin skills. So why fork over my money for the best?

To take it further, if we f-up, it's our reckless driving and not the car's fault, and heathlindner25 seems to be damned good driving skills.

Keep up the need for speed my friend, but remember we ain't all in the same race.
But they all get you where you need to go. You do need lots of expensive stuff to be successful. You do need to know how to use what you have. Other than my lights my kit is basic and mid range.
 
Anyone that hasn't seen his tank, he isn't lying.

You were my inspiration for trying hydra hds. Although I failed because I like to tinker too much with my lighting... I went T5 so there was nothing to tinker with... haha. We all have to know our limitations. I think the argument on led vs t5 vs halide now comes down to patience and understanding. LEDs work as well as any if applied correctly, same as any other source of light. Just seems that some people apply them correctly, but a lot don't, or don't give them long enough to take off before writing them off. Your tank is awesome and living proof that LEDs can be successful with sps.

Thanks for the kind words. Having patients and willingness to see things through helped a lot.
 
I'm gonna add one more thing then I'm off this post. Cause as long as I've been on this board, as well as the countless other people I know, watching mob mentality take over a post and ruin possible future relationships over nothing is just such a waste. I've watched real contributors to this board get sucked into a vortex of animosity because something like this fires up and then the people can't leave eachother's posts alone and they just chase each other around to the point it takes away from the real point of the board.

Want to know what kind of man I am? Here you go. HeathLindner - for real man, I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. It wasn't my intention. I was simply trying to make a point based on what I have seen over the last 3 decades in this industry. I'm not upset, because I don't get upset. I've worked too hard to be where I am. Seriously bro, if you ever need anything for your tank let me know. Even if you want my # and want to text sometime or something, just shoot me a PM.

ZERO desire to post pics. They end up on Google Images and getting used by other people for their financial benefit 95% of the time by passing them off as their own. It's caused too many headaches for me in the past. I was there when Acans were $700 a piece. When Duncans were $500 a piece. When chalices were $1000 a piece. Now bubbles are $2500 a piece. Eventually the fragging hits and all the sudden they're $75.

The only point I was stating is that I think personally people should spend the money up front (if they have it) and not procrastinate. That a calcium reactor is $500 in one day, where as purchasing the same chemicals again and again are usually $500 over the course of a year. And if they don't have it to maybe wait till they do so they do it right the first time. Cause I wonder how many people on here who have gone to calcium reactors look back and wonder why they were ever dosing their tanks with additives. Responsibility to keep the best water parameters is a huge part of the industry. That people should know a 30 gallon tank shouldn't simply just have only a canister filter hooked to it because it's irresponsible. The cost is irrelevant. My point was quality. I was saying that an Ecotech essentially will cost the same as a Jebao over the course of 3 years. That if someone is going to build a tank, build it right.

EDIT: If someone wants to dump a bunch of B-Ionic in a tank, that's their call. I personally would rather have a Korallin C3002, CO2 Cylinder, Solenoid, and a bunch of ARM Extra Course. I think the added benefits of what a calcium reactor can do far out weight what any bottles additive can do. And I give props where their do. Like with Melev's Reef. That guy has contributed so much productive information it's amazing.

Someone shouldn't cut a bunch of corners because they're so arrogant they believe they can run a tank off a canister filter alone. That we all have a responsibility to these creatures to give them the best environment possible. The best environment might come from a homemade sump, a Jebao pump, some Cobalt powerheads, an SC skimmer, etc...but, what I was saying is it's worth forking over the extra money up front rather then run the risk of a disaster buy using equipment that doesn't have the same reputations and possibly having to buy it all again in the near future.

It's like saying I don't want to buy a cheap heater that could fluctuate and release stray voltage, so that I can also fit a stylophora into a budget, instead of getting a heater that is known for it's reliability and accuracy even if the cost is much higher then the cheaper one.

I'm in no way saying because someone can't afford a Radion that they shouldn't start a tank. But if they are working with a budget to make sure they get the possible equipment they can within that budget and not just patch something together by cutting corners on other equipment. T5s and SPS is still ridiculous to me.

Just been doing this too long. Most my shots are DLSR shots. Want a few? here....These photos are MY property and no one has permission to use or copy them for any reason. They are all watermarked somewhere on the photos for whatever site I place them on. THIS is why I don't post pictures. I have 1000 pictures like this I would love to share with the board, but there's no guarantee that what I ask about them not being copied will happen. If time goes by and they don't pop up on Google, then I'll start posting hundreds more. I frag the corals I have on a monthly basis.

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Congrats OP, looks like this troll thread got you over the RC selling post count. Now you can list your 475 in the RC classifieds... I seen worse post pads I guess.
 
This post was set to fail from the start. I get the point, but just saying everyone who isn't buying high end equipment shouldn't keep a tank is dumb. Plenty keep great tanks on a budget.

But can you seriously argue you were trying to do a discussion, then call others trolls for posting pictures of their tanks run on simple equipment? You didn't want a discussion, you wanted to start a fire. I'd argue you telling someone to part out their tank to more responsible reef keepers is the troll statement trying to start a confrontation.
 
I will not be using lights anymore, soon to switch to a sun pipe or solatube to use the sun.

Interesting. I have been considering this for the retirement build but have been concerned about supplemental light in the winter and overexposure in the summer (could just use some sort of blind for this). My other concern is if you should have some sort of filter to modify the wavelength spectrum to simulate some other depth than 1-2 feet.

Anyway, if you do this, I hope you post on the forums. Being in Canada your day length changes will be even more than mine in PA. Also, I'm assuming you are not being sarcastic here and I am clearly OT.
 
Dude I run a HOB aquaclear filter and a HOB skimmer on my seahorse tank. Yes it has non stinging corals too. My seahorses are as happy as can be and have NEVER had any issues with water quality. They also pop fry about every 2 weeks. Don't get me wrong I agree with some points but your a noob if you can't keep a tank stable with decent HOB equipment.
 
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Interesting. I have been considering this for the retirement build but have been concerned about supplemental light in the winter and overexposure in the summer (could just use some sort of blind for this). My other concern is if you should have some sort of filter to modify the wavelength spectrum to simulate some other depth than 1-2 feet.

Anyway, if you do this, I hope you post on the forums. Being in Canada your day length changes will be even more than mine in PA. Also, I'm assuming you are not being sarcastic here and I am clearly OT.

There have been a couple thread with people using a couple solar tubes / natural light only. Good success and worth the read to see the issues they ran into with installation, etc.

If you come back to check the otherwise useless thread that is :)
 
Congrats OP, looks like this troll thread got you over the RC selling post count. Now you can list your 475 in the RC classifieds... I seen worse post pads I guess.
My thoughts exactly after I saw the ad query thread. [emoji3]
 
There have been a couple thread with people using a couple solar tubes / natural light only. Good success and worth the read to see the issues they ran into with installation, etc.

If you come back to check the otherwise useless thread that is :)

Funny, I almost forgot about this. I have done some searches in the past but didn't dig too hard. Will try again. I have the luxury of not even having the house built yet so I can literally design anything I want right now. Just needs to be right when we start the build--tank and house.
 
This post was set to fail from the start. I get the point, but just saying everyone who isn't buying high end equipment shouldn't keep a tank is dumb. Plenty keep great tanks on a budget.

But can you seriously argue you were trying to do a discussion, then call others trolls for posting pictures of their tanks run on simple equipment? You didn't want a discussion, you wanted to start a fire. I'd argue you telling someone to part out their tank to more responsible reef keepers is the troll statement trying to start a confrontation.

Exactly! Well put.
 
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