Allin one bio pellets

[reefwars]

Any one see this yet?

I have a 500g system on pellets and gfo for almost a year now , if this turns out to be a decent product I may want to switch over but I would imagine that change out will be harsh no? Maybe keep the two methods I use now and slowly add in the all in one in a different reactor while slowly removing my established media?

Will wait to see user feedback but I ......may......give this a shot

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Looks like they put GFO into an organic carbon dosing pellet, although it might be some other phosphate binder. If true, I can't imagine why one would want to do that, and I wouldn't use it. Where do they think the GFO ends up?

Reading the write up I found, it doesn't make me want to use it.

http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/blog/all-in-one-biopellets/

What makes the All-in-One BioPellets different from the standard pellets? In a nutshell, they have combined the NP Reducing BioPellets with the active ingredient of phosphate remover. Since any organism needs phosphates as a building block to allow growth, including bacteria, this combination produces a winning result. As with the standard NP Reducing BioPellets and the NP Reducing BioPellets XL, the bacteria consumes the pellets for the carbon in order to multiply. At the same time, the bacteria consume the nitrates and some phosphates from your water column resulting in lower nitrate levels in your water.

It was being reported by some aquarists that the NP Reducing Biopellets did not function properly in their tanks. This was found to be mainly due to heavy phosphate removal from the water. As previously stated, any organism, including bacteria, needs phosphates to allow for growth and reproduction. The new All-in-One BioPellets have the phosphate remover built in allowing the bacteria to utilize it for growth and reproduction at the same place as their carbon source. This combination improves nitrate removal by about 5x. As the bacteria consume the pellets, a new layer of "fresh" phosphate remover will be exposed for phosphate removal. This makes the All-in-One BioPellets a one-of-a-kind phosphate and nitrate removal system. With the combination of phosphate removal by the bacteria coupled with the All-in-One BioPellets, they have achieved an increase of phosphate removal from the water column by 10-20x compared to the standard NP Reducing BioPellets and NP Reducing BioPellet XL.

 

[Joel_155]

After using biopellets as primary nutrient exportation along with gfo for along time I would just rather carbon dose. You have much more control with what's going on.

 

[reefwars]

Looks like they put GFO into an organic carbon dosing pellet, although it might be some other phosphate binder. If true, I can't imagine why one would want to do that, and I wouldn't use it. Where do they think the GFO ends up?

Reading the write up I found, it doesn't make me want to use it.

http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/blog/all-in-one-biopellets/

What makes the All-in-One BioPellets different from the standard pellets? In a nutshell, they have combined the NP Reducing BioPellets with the active ingredient of phosphate remover. Since any organism needs phosphates as a building block to allow growth, including bacteria, this combination produces a winning result. As with the standard NP Reducing BioPellets and the NP Reducing BioPellets XL, the bacteria consumes the pellets for the carbon in order to multiply. At the same time, the bacteria consume the nitrates and some phosphates from your water column resulting in lower nitrate levels in your water.

It was being reported by some aquarists that the NP Reducing Biopellets did not function properly in their tanks. This was found to be mainly due to heavy phosphate removal from the water. As previously stated, any organism, including bacteria, needs phosphates to allow for growth and reproduction. The new All-in-One BioPellets have the phosphate remover built in allowing the bacteria to utilize it for growth and reproduction at the same place as their carbon source. This combination improves nitrate removal by about 5x. As the bacteria consume the pellets, a new layer of "fresh" phosphate remover will be exposed for phosphate removal. This makes the All-in-One BioPellets a one-of-a-kind phosphate and nitrate removal system. With the combination of phosphate removal by the bacteria coupled with the All-in-One BioPellets, they have achieved an increase of phosphate removal from the water column by 10-20x compared to the standard NP Reducing BioPellets and NP Reducing BioPellet XL.

thank you randy , one of the thoughts i had was the amount of flow they recommend as the pellets are huge , i had wondered about what happens when it breaks down.


i guess time will tell but im def skeptical , with combining the both of them i would think theres now even less control over what it does compared to both seperately.


4 yrs in the making lol

 

[reefwars]

After using biopellets as primary nutrient exportation along with gfo for along time I would just rather carbon dose. You have much more control with what's going on.

agreed for sure , more control and more monitoring as well though. im a huge fan of VSV and use it on other tanks as well ive had my own systems on it, works great.


the reason for biopellets on this system is its in a public place and theres less daily maintanance to be had without having to go with a extra pump for doser etc.

 

[Joel_155]

Okay that makes sense

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

thank you randy

You're welcome.

If anyone tries it, let us know what you find.

 

[AquariumSpecialty]

thank you randy

You're welcome.

If anyone tries it, let us know what you find.

The results of our testing will be on our sponsor forum. The thread is titled, "New Aquarium Setup with Orphek DIF100 and...". We are putting this on a tank that was previously running with NP Biopellets.

Randy, if you have any suggestions on what you would like to see as we track this then let me know. I'm adding the All-In-One pellets on a tank that looks pretty nasty so we should be able to put it through a pretty good test.

Thanks,

 

[tmz]

I don't understand why a phosphate remover in the pellets would provide anything to the heterotrophic bacteria they can't get from the water column. If there isn't enough PO4 in the water,unlikely in a well fed tank, due to overuse of a phosphate remover then it's easy enough to reduce or eliminate the remover in use in a standard application.
I dose soluble organics, i.e., vodka and vinegar, and have for over 5years. For most of that time I used small amounts of gfo. Since November, I haven't used any. PO4 stays in the .02 to .04ppm range or lower ,NO3 is undetectable to 0.2ppm even though the tanks are heavily fed. The bacteria are obviously consuming quite bit of PO4; they use it for phospholipds in cell membranes,perhaps for ATP and and store some in the cytoplasm . I don't precisely know the ratio of phosphate to nitrogen or organic carbon for these bacteria but PO4 removal seems quite sufficient to keep PO4 low.
Seems like with PO4 remover in a pellet the remover once exposed will spread around the tank with any bound phosphate or other elements it has on it.

Further , I'm not convinced the heterotrophic bacteria encouraged by organic carbon dosing consume much nitrate from nitrogen via assimilation ; papers suggest they take up ammonium preferentially for nitrogen. If that's true then , they may reduce inorganic nitrogen and limit nitrate production from ammonia oxidation since there would be less ammonia to oxidize.. I also think high flow will keep O2 high enough to limit denitrification via anerobic activity.