am i overstocked?

evokevin

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we have a ~180gal bowfront with around a 30 gallon sump. i have what i can only assume is an undersized skimmer i got locally (it was sized for i beleive a 120-150gal tank, got it when we had a 72 gal bow front). its a reef tank with a DSB, and it had easily 200-250lbs of live rock. i just removed about 40lbs and re-scaped it. it has a majority soft coral, but i have started to try SPS, so there are a number of small frags growing well.

the fish load is as follows:
1 sailfin tang (largest fish, maybe 5-6")
1 regal tang (got him as a baby, hes still maybe 3")
1 kole tang (little bigger then regal tang, 4")

5 blue/green chromis. they range in size from 4" down to maybe 1.5"
5 lyretail anthias (all roughly the same size, 3-3.5", with the male being slightly bigger)
2 cinnamon clowns (female is large, 4.5" male is small, 2.5")
1 orange spot goby (4" long)
1 six line wrasse (2.5")
1 bicolor blenny (tiny, like 1.5". hes the newest addition)
1 flame angel (2.5")

2 cleaner shrimp
1 fire banded shrimp
tons of crabs and snails.



reason i ask if my load is to high, i have to do 20% water changes every 7-10 days and my nitrates are still in the 15-20ppm range. my wife and i love having all the fish because it adds activity to the tank, and up until recently everyone got along great (kole tang now seems to be aggressive to the goby).

i am trying to figure out which direction to go next.

1)increase my fuge size. i have room to add 20 more gallons of fuge below my stand. currently the fuge isn't very big. only about 8-10 gallons. this would allow more algae, more rock, and i could even possibly put in a frag rack and start fragging stuff as it grows in better. i considered this as the "natural" way of reducing nitrates and is my personal preference.

2)get a bigger skimmer. i got mine before i realized all the other brands and options out there. i also think mine isn't designed very well as it doesn't skim hardly anything to begin with (there is a lot of skimmate, but it just collects on the sides and doesn't make it up to the collection cup. the water level also doesn't come up nearly high enough to allow the bubbles to make it to the collection cup. i've considered trying the reef octopus 200. the price is not bad and the reviews are decent.

3)reduce fish count. this is my last choice... everyone is healthy, corals are growing well. i can keep doing the water changes to keep everything happy if thats what is needed.


with that said, if the fish load isn't terrible, would it be a bad idea to remove the kole tang and replace him with a naso tang? the naso tangs seem bigger, but the LFS said they are less aggressive of the tangs.

thanks everyone! (and since i still consider myself new still, let me know what other information i should provide)
 
you do have a lot of fish, and would say you are maxed out. As far as your nitrates go you can try a bigger fuge, it wouldnt hurt anything at. but i think your best bet is to get a better skimmer.
 
I think do #1 and #2 will take care of your nitrate. It's a big bioload but doing those two things should take care of it
 
i would say yes. My sailfin and two hippos were about 3 inches when I got them. they are about 10 inches each now.
 
I have a similar (proportion-wise) "load" in my 150 gal: 5" swallowtail angel, 4-5" pacific blue tang, 4" Chevron, 5 PJ cardinals, 2 chromis', 2 fairy wrasses, 1 leopard wrasse, 1 percula clown, 1 yellow watchman goby, which has done well for a couple of years as far as water parameters.
While your fish load may be pushing the upper limits, moreso when your tangs reach their adult size as mentioned above, the current issue is likely your skimmer and bio filter. You cant go wrong with having a skimmer above your aquarium size- I have a euro reef 180- if i could fit a larger version in my sump, i probably would!
While you have live rock and sand, how recently did you set up your aquarium- i.e. has it had enough time to cycle before adding in all the livestock because i'd be concerned about nitrates persisting around 15-20ppm in a mature aquarium esp if you're keeping sps.
 
I would get at least a 75 for a sump tank and an upgraded skimmer. If you do that, plus throw in some chaeto I think your water quality will be where you want it in a few months.
 
evokevin, I have the same size tank as you only I have a 75 gal fuge/sump lots of cheato I have the same amount of fish and about 275 lbs of lr. my water quality as far as params go is very good sps's and other corals growing really well but I have particals in my water so I added a 200 micron sock to help clear it up which it has quite a bit but I am still not satified so I also plan to upgrade my skimmer. the skimmer I have was originally on a 125 with 500gph pump that I got used it does work well but like you I feel its not big enough for my tank I even put a 1330 gph pump on it and the water just shot thru it so after all the upgrades I've made I think a new skimmer is what I need its the only thing left. I think you probably will have good results doing #1 and #2 of your plan.
p.s. I do a 50 gallon water change every 3 weeks and I am an overfeeder:(
here is the skimmer I am planning on getting so far. LifeReef SVS3-24 In-Sump with MagDrive 9 pump: $479.00
http://www.lifereef.com/retail.html#vs2series
 
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Whipit, your setup does sounds very similiar to mine, but with a bigger sump (lucky :p ).

my tank has been up and running for 7 months as is, but 50-75% of the rock, coral and fish, sand and water came over from my 72gal tank that had also been up for about 6 months (total i'm at around 1 yr). my fuge has caulerpa algae growing but i had an issue with the cyano blocking light and stunting growth in the fuge. a turbo snail has completely cured that issue though, so i'm back to growing it normally. this might have added to the higher NO3. i've decided to start with the fuge, get more algae growing in there. then i will upgrade the skimmer.
 
Whipit, your setup does sounds very similiar to mine, but with a bigger sump (lucky :p ).

my tank has been up and running for 7 months as is, but 50-75% of the rock, coral and fish, sand and water came over from my 72gal tank that had also been up for about 6 months (total i'm at around 1 yr). my fuge has caulerpa algae growing but i had an issue with the cyano blocking light and stunting growth in the fuge. a turbo snail has completely cured that issue though, so i'm back to growing it normally. this might have added to the higher NO3. i've decided to start with the fuge, get more algae growing in there. then i will upgrade the skimmer.
sounds like you have a good plan:)
funny you said you broke down your other tank and used the lr and sand thats what I did only with a 55 gallon and a 29 gal:lmao: small world we have a lot in common. keep us posted how the bigger fuge/sump works I am getting a new skimmer in the next few weeks so I will see how that does on my end:thumbsup:
 
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