Amino Acids and Vodka

[JSM]

I am thinking of doing using vodka but many have stated an amino acid solution should be added because the nutrients are so low, what brand does everyone recommend? I use B-Ionic and that has trace minerals but I've not added amino acids before so any help would be appreciated, thanks.

Janna

 

[eisaiasjr]

Elos

Elos

Hello:

Elos makes really good Aminos and supplements. you can check them out @ www.elosusa.com

Regards,

Estefano

 

[moo0o]

i heard elos had the best aminos.

er..what i meant was they have the higher concentration than most.

 

[JSM]

I looked at Marine Depot and couldn;t find anything that mentioned amino acids, are you referring to their trace elements?

Janna

 

[moo0o]

its under food > liquid > elos omega amino acid coral food

 

[JSM]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Janna

 

[moo0o]

no problem =)

 

[greenbean36191]

I am thinking of doing using vodka but many have stated an amino acid solution should be added because the nutrients are so low, what brand does everyone recommend?

:lol: You're adding C to reduce N, but you have to dose N because you depleted it by adding C. Why are you still dosing C if you're N limited? Why not just stop dosing C, which is a somewhat risky endeavor to begin with, rather than spending lots of money dosing what you already spent money trying to remove?

 

[barnett8]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13247773#post13247773 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
:lol: You're adding C to reduce N, but you have to dose N because you depleted it by adding C. Why are you still dosing C if you're N limited? Why not just stop dosing C, which is a somewhat risky endeavor to begin with, rather than spending lots of money dosing what you already spent money trying to remove?

... Because thats what "they" said to do.

 

[shelburn61]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13247773#post13247773 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
:lol: You're adding C to reduce N, but you have to dose N because you depleted it by adding C. Why are you still dosing C if you're N limited? Why not just stop dosing C, which is a somewhat risky endeavor to begin with, rather than spending lots of money dosing what you already spent money trying to remove?

Because you reduce PO4 along with the N, and because inorganic NO3 is of limited use to corals anyway. I tend to agree that aminos may be a waste of money and feed pappone instead, but AA are still more useful to the corals than NO3. Adding stuff to the water is easy, but removing things is tough, making C dosing a very useful tool IMO.

 

[JSM]

My nutrients aren't low yet, I didn't mean for it to sound as if they were, I had just read that WHEN they get low dosing amino acids is helpful.

Janna

 

[greenbean36191]

and because inorganic NO3 is of limited use to corals anyway.

Not true. It's much more useful to corals than DFAAs. In fact, there is some evidence that when corals are taking up DFAAs, they're breaking them down into inorganic N.

 

[shelburn61]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13321151#post13321151 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
Not true. It's much more useful to corals than DFAAs. In fact, there is some evidence that when corals are taking up DFAAs, they're breaking them down into inorganic N.

Link? Are you referring to use by the coral itself or zoox? Just because they are breaking DFAAs down to N doesn't mean they are able to uptake inorganic N. Enlighten me please

 

[greenbean36191]

I'm referring to the holosymbiont, meaning the coral, zoox, and surface bacteria as a whole since that's about the only way to fairly compare inorganic N and AA uptake and how most studies measure uptake. .

Just do a google scholar search for "coral nitrogen uptake" and you'll get half a dozen relevant articles on the subject. Here is a particularly good one-http://www.springerlink.com/content/t338xuqvbemx18hg/

FWIW I work on the metabolic advantages to symbiosis between anemones and clownfish. One of the advantages our lab has shown is increased DIN, which is taken up by the anemone and results in increased growth.

 

[shelburn61]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13320550#post13320550 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JSM
My nutrients aren't low yet, I didn't mean for it to sound as if they were, I had just read that WHEN they get low dosing amino acids is helpful.

Janna

My 2 cents is to just keep your fish fat and don't worry about AAs unless your corals start to look bleached.