Ammonia...am I missing something here?

Mrs. Gixxerman

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Size of tank: 75 gallons
Age of tank 3 Months old
Sump: We are in the process of making one
Skimmer: Grr...I'm drawing a blank here...it's a HOB skimmer and I can't find my cheat sheet with the brand and type
nitrate: 0
nitrite: 0
ammonia: .25 (tried the test three times with API Saltwater masters kit and got three different results .50, .25 and just shy of .25)
temperature: 78 F
Water source: RO
Salinity: 1.024
Alkalinity: 8.4
Lights T5
Calcium: 420
Magnesium: I'm not sure. Don't have a test for it.
Dosing: Chemi-pure for phosphates, and although we have a PH buffer, we haven't used it since we first set up the tank

We have two filters: a Cascade 1000 cannister filter, and a HOB standard Cascade filter that is rated for a 100 gal. tank. It was leftover from our freshwater days, and we thought it couldn't hurt to keep using it until we decided what we wanted to do with our primary filtration method. We cleaned it throughly, and replaced all the cartridges to be safe in setting up the new tank. Both filters have been with the new saltwater setup from the beginning.

We have 75 lbs of live-rock, roughly 20 lbs of base rock which has been in our tank since about the beginning. The live rock was added in groups of 20 lbs over the first week or more.

Livestock: We have two maroon clowns, 2 blue chromis and one Kole Eye Tang. 12 Hermits, 2 peppermints, 1 coral banded shrimp, 4 turbos and a few various smaller snails. We also have a few beginnner corals...finger leather coral, frilly green mushroom and a xenia. Quite a few hitchiker creatures...bristle worms, strange looking white snail/slug like creatures that I finally found ID'd on someone else's thread several weeks ago that escapes my memory at the moment, but is beneficial to the aquarium.

So here's my question...where is the ammonia coming from? We (well my husband does while I supervise...haha) do 10% water changes weekly while cleaning off and rinsing out our filters. We are using Reef Crystals for our saltwater mix. We top off every two days with a gallon of fresh RO water. We have good water movment, with two Koralia powerheads. We DID have an "oh ****" moment on Wednesday. The last water change done Tuesday apparantly didn't include turning the cannister filter back on after we were done. I discovered it the next day, when I noticed that there wasn't much water movment at the top of the tank from the return. I had tested the ammonia the day after the water change, and noticed it at .25. Checked all other params, and everything looked spot on. After about a half hour of wondering what the problem was, I checked the cannister, and whoops! Hubby forgot to plug it back up. By the end of that day, the ammonia was reading zero. Now, over the last two days I've noticed the weird spike.

So what could be causing it? Is it possibly die-off from leaving the cannister filter off for 24 hours? Everything else looks normal. The fish are eating like little piglets, no stress, or breathing changes. No unusual behavior. Everyone seems to be healthy and happy. We've been in freshwater for 10+ years and this is our first saltwater tank. So I'm not an uber-noob...just a minor-noob.

So as a minor-noob...am I missing something here?

(btw, my apologizes in advance if I'm over doing it on the params...I think I've lurked too long on the forum and have to skim over multiple posts of...more info please...haha...so this may be a bit overkill) :spin2:
 
@ Captain Cayle-we switch up feeding with Omega One Marine flakes, pellets and cyclo-peez frozen food. We also set out a very small strip of Julien Springs Sea Veggies seaweed for our tang to munch on. Mostly we use the flakes...and feed a small pinch 1-2 times a day. There is very little that is left from that...as the fish go into a feeding frenzy worthy of piranha's as soon as they see us reach for the container of flakes. They learn quick. Honestly though, the food shouldn't be a factor, we have been feeding very consistantly over the last month with no ammonia issues.

@ duncantse-the water change buckets stay empty until the day we change the water. We have a holding tank in the basement with our RO water. We currently have about 35 gallons in the holding tank. We keep an air stone in the water tank and a heater so it can be ready when we need it. We tested the water a week after we set up the RO unit to make sure the tank wasn't leaking any contaminents into the water before using it for our first water change. We haven't checked it since then, but it's been a month with no problems. Previously we had been using RO water from the LFS. I'll check the holding tank again. Maybe something has changed there just recently, and we weren't aware of it.

FWIW...I dispise the ammonia test from API. The difference in coloration between 0 and .25 is a pain in the butt. I know there are other test kits on the market...is there a better ammonia test out there?
 
I would definitly add a refugium ,the larger the better, this would help with water movement and improve water quality wth cheato ..Get rid of the cannister filter they are nitrate factories. The ammonia could be from die off or the live rock might need more time to cure.
 
After 3 months, I highly doubt you would have ammonia in the water. I would take some water to a LFS and see what they are getting. Have you added any new fish or live rock lately?
 
Stop feeding everyday and go to every other day. Take a sample of water to your LFS and have them check for ammonia. There shouldn't be any ammonia in that tank.
 
I would definitly add a refugium ,the larger the better, this would help with water movement and improve water quality wth cheato ..Get rid of the cannister filter they are nitrate factories. The ammonia could be from die off or the live rock might need more time to cure.

We're working on it. The sump is finally finished, we just need to set it up. We were waiting on parts to come in to finish it, and they came in yesterday. Although apparantly finding cheato is going to be a problem. *sigh* Every where I've looked they are out of stock.

As far as the live rock curing...I was under the impression that live rock IS cured. It's the base rock that hasn't been. Am I wrong? At any rate, after three months and no ammonia, I would think that wouldn't be an issue?

And to answer your second post, no...nothing different with this water change other then forgetting to turn the cannister filter back on. My husband got a stern lecture from me for THAT one. ;)
 
After 3 months, I highly doubt you would have ammonia in the water. I would take some water to a LFS and see what they are getting. Have you added any new fish or live rock lately?

No live rock...the last peice of live rock I added was a cool looking 'bridge' rock that would be perfect addition to the tank and that was well over a month ago. The Kole Tang was the most recent fish added. That's why I've been testing my parameters more often. I wanted to make sure my bioload wasn't screwed up. She was added on the 19th and no ammonia spike until Wednesday (after the cannister was off for 24 hours) then back to zero, and then now over the last two days the strange readings.

For clarification, the readings were as follows:

Wednesday noon: .25 (before I discovered the cannister off)
Wendesday evening 7 pm roughly: 0 (after the cannister was on for 5 hours or more)
Thursday afternoon: 0
Friday afternoon: .25
Friday evening: .50
Friday evening: .25 (this was a second test immediately after the first just in case I screwed it up)
This morning: it was kinda hard to tell, but it wasn't exactly 0 and it wasn't quite to .25.

Have I mentioned how much I hate the API ammonia test?
 
It might be that your cannister had some dieoff after 24 hours of no water circulation. After a few days, your kole tang started pooping and eating so that can be the cause of the ammonia spike.
 
Ammonia

Ammonia

Do you have any problems with your maroon clowns or are they a mated pair? Just wondering if you changed all the media in all the filters at the same time ? If so , this could cause a problem and it takes time for the media to get recolonized with beneficial bacteria.:fish2:
 
live rock can be cured or not depending on a few things.

was the rock cured where you picked it up and did you transport it underwater? this is only good if you got the rock from a LFS. any rock that says it has been cured but is shipped will have to be re cured due to die off
 
Hubby is going to check the holding tank for any changes in my RO water, and we'll probably head to the LFS for a backup reading here shortly. Fortunately the fish don't seem to be bothered by the weird spike. For that I'm greatful...but I want it fixed. I'm starting to develop OCD over the tank...

Relax...breathe...in...out...
 
It might be that your cannister had some dieoff after 24 hours of no water circulation. After a few days, your kole tang started pooping and eating so that can be the cause of the ammonia spike.

That's what I'm hoping is the issue...because honestly, I can't think of any other explaination for it.
 
Do you have any problems with your maroon clowns or are they a mated pair? Just wondering if you changed all the media in all the filters at the same time ? If so , this could cause a problem and it takes time for the media to get recolonized with beneficial bacteria.:fish2:

No...no problems with the maroon clowns, and they aren't mated...but I'm hoping. :inlove:

And no, if anything gets changed, we try to stagger it between the two filters so as not to cause anything to swing seriously one way or another.
 
live rock can be cured or not depending on a few things.

was the rock cured where you picked it up and did you transport it underwater? this is only good if you got the rock from a LFS. any rock that says it has been cured but is shipped will have to be re cured due to die off

All of our live rock came from the LFS and was not transported completely submerged in water but had wet newspaper covering it in the containers while sitting in about an inch of water, however that was three months ago. We did re-auqascaped about three weeks ago, but kept most of the rock in the tank or in containers submerged in water if we had to move the bigger pieces around. We would have seen an ammonia spike earlier then this week if there was die off from the moving, wouldn't we?
 
Ammonia

Ammonia

Hopefully it was only due to the cannister filter not being plugged and it is not unusual to have a small spike when tank is still new.:fish1:
 
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