Amphiprion percula "Onxy" (Onyx Percula Clown) Breeding Log!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8877313#post8877313 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwp
Kathy, the breeder net isn't a bad idea, but won't allow the GBG's to help clean up the clownfish leftovers...

Matt

How would putting the net on the filter intake, prevent the GBG's from eating leftovers?

I wasn't suggesting putting any fish in the net!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8878070#post8878070 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kathy55g
How would putting the net on the filter intake, prevent the GBG's from eating leftovers?

I wasn't suggesting putting any fish in the net!

I already have netting over the filter intake; that's what prevented all the babies from going into it (but didn't prevent them from getting stuck to the filter). However, placing the FILTER in a breeder net...now THERE's an idea!

Matt
 
matt, my plan is to use a plastic tank divider and keep all my pumps/filters for the grow out tank in a tight comparment at the far end. are you doing this in a nanocube?
 
Rearing in 10 gallon tanks. Your tank divider doesn't seem like a bad idea either...

Matt
 
i m going to use a 20 L. i bought 3 of those plastic dividers. they cost about 8$ each. the holes are too tiny for the larvae to go thru. i was planning on using one divider to seperate all the hazzard pumps/filters etc. also going to fill that area with live rock.

than with the rest of the tank i was going seperate into 3 more compartments. this way i can move the babies based on size/aggression from one compartment to the next. this in theory will also allow me to control aggression based on stocking density.

i m also going to attach a hang on fuge. the pump is in the filter compartment area and the outlet will dump back into the adjacent chamber. and sandbed.

a water change once a week is all i want to do :) sorry to sidetrack your thread. i was also concerned with the babies sucking into filters.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8878132#post8878132 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwp
I already have netting over the filter intake; that's what prevented all the babies from going into it (but didn't prevent them from getting stuck to the filter). However, placing the FILTER in a breeder net...now THERE's an idea!

Matt

It's not the netting but the cage which creates greater surface area that was my idea! That way it keeps the babies out, and decreases the suction per unit area, because you have increased the AREA.
 
Embryoguy, on a mini-scale, you're kinda making a rearing system that's basically along the lines of what I'd want to do IF I was doing a whole system (i.e. using algae / Xenia / corals / clams to scrub the water clean). I suspect that it will take a TON of invetebrate / plant life to keep nitrate levels down however..i.e. the "fuge" would probably have to be the 20 gallon, with the hang on fuge being the rearing tanks (just a guestimate as far as the ratio of grow out to water bio scrubbing). My reason for not going so complex is that simply using 10 gallon tanks allows for larval rearing or juvenile growout...in a standalone small setup / project it's more flexible. I.e. if you set this entire proposed 20 gallon up, you couldn't use it for initial larval rearing through meta with greenwater and rotifers...

Kathy, we're on the same page with the surface area and it's a great idea. I'd been using the duetto due to it's ability to run at any tank volume level, but the reality is that as soon as I got into grow out mode, it was better to increase the water volume (to slow it's spoilage).

Matt
 
hmm good point. ok i might have to re evaluate my idea than :)

i guess my mind is still setup for reefs. your right the proportion of fish to fuge space would be irrational.
 
Basically, I just think to be effective at maintaining water quality, the fuge would have to be HUGE. Water changes seem to be doing a great job of keeping water quality in check, but it seemed senseless to have 2 tanks constantly "going bad" when one tank could easily handle both populations, thus the "merging" of Batch VI with the GBG's...PLUS it freed up the other tank for another batch of whatever I like ;)

Matt
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8878368#post8878368 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwp
Embryoguy, on a mini-scale, you're kinda making a rearing system that's basically along the lines of what I'd want to do IF I was doing a whole system (i.e. using algae / Xenia / corals / clams to scrub the water clean). I suspect that it will take a TON of invetebrate / plant life to keep nitrate levels down however..i.e. the "fuge" would probably have to be the 20 gallon, with the hang on fuge being the rearing tanks (just a guestimate as far as the ratio of grow out to water bio scrubbing).
In my system, I have about 5 gallons of bioballs in a trickle filter, and another 5 gallons submerged in the sump. I have a PURA filter and a large UV. The key to my system, however, is me. With daily siphoning of the bare bottom tanks and changing the 100 micron filter, my nitrates have never risen above 5 ppm. I've been changing 20 gallons water weekly, but I'm thinking I don't need to do that so much. My point is if you get the poop out daily, "bio scrubbing" is not required. I have about 1000 fish in 160 gallons at present. I would never try to use corals and clams (think the expense, not to mention the life that would perish if it failed).

You don't need a fancy system to get them past meta. A rubbermaid tub, a heater, an air pump and a sponge filter, well seasoned in your display's sump will take you all the way until you need to put them into your divided system, embryoguy. I say go for it! (wait until day 5 to use the filter if you keep the tank fairly warm, like 82 degrees. If you keep it cooler, you can wait longer.)
 
1-2-07, Batch VIII - 96 hours post spawning, 3 days until hatching. 786 eggs remain.

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FWIW,

Matt
 
yeah this 20 L was intended to be my growout tank.

i have 3 , 5 gallon tanks now, but the rate there spawning and the time reaching meta seems to take almost 14 days, i acquired 2 more , 5 gallons. so hopefully 5 meta tanks will be enough.

hopefully i can squeeze them all in the 20 L as they grow out. i have another 20 L to grow out but that tank has 2 lobsters, and a shrimp that might get hungry :)

tks kathy for advise.
 
matt, so youve lost about 200 eggs? i didnt know you can lose them during this time. ill have to keep an eye on that than also.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8883627#post8883627 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by embryoguy
matt, so youve lost about 200 eggs? i didnt know you can lose them during this time. ill have to keep an eye on that than also.

I'm assuming that the male may remove some eggs that "go bad", but there's also the distinct posibility that other tankmates are stealing some...

Matt
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8891323#post8891323 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by embryoguy
matt is your next hatch projected thurs?

im anticipating mine than. just when ive had some rest lol

I had been anticipating a Friday Night hatch, but the tank temp has been hovering around 84.4F a lot lately, and judging by the fact that silvery eyes showed up today, I'm going to hang around the tank tomorrow evening just in case.

Batch VIII, 1-3-07, shot around 7 PM, a rough count of 740 eggs remaining - I'm not as "solid" on this evening's count as Little Man simply refused to leave the nest, I only managed one shot of the nest without him obstructing a portion of it within a 10 minute time period, and that one turned out a bit fuzzy / out of focus! Whatcha gonna do...

Here are some pics!

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FWIW,

Matt
 
Batch VI it's worth posting an update on the afternoon of January 4th, with Batch VI being roughly 22.75 days post hatch. Those that remain are taking down Otohime and crushed up Formula 1 with gusto, showing nice fat bellies. Ammonia levels in the shared 10 gallon tank with the GBG juvies have remained at the "safe" level, although no doubt a water change is coming soon anyway (gotta keep other levels in control). I've been periodically dosing with Reef Plus and Reef Iodide...it can only help. The big news on Batch VI is that the largets of the juvies has started showing black tips on the pelvic fins.

FWIW,

Matt
 
A "BTW" on Batch VI - for the last 2 days I've noticed aggression starting to develop. Generall, it is from the larger juveniles, directed at the smaller, but occasionally the reverse happens. It's nothing serious at this point...just short chases.

An update on Batch III - Since yesterday morning I have not been able to locate the "Ghost Stripe" in Renee's 6 gallon...we're left with the runt and the one that developed a good solid 2nd stripe.

FWIW,

Matt
 
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