An Inconvenient Truth comnig to our area

firefish2020

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I post this only for those who care to know, not to start a firestorm.

The Award winning Documentary "An Inconvenient Truth" is coming to our area. I invite you all to go see it.

more info...http://www.climatecrisis.net/

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WV Huntington 6/30 Pullman Square 16
WV Morgantown 6/30 Warner Theatre
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Not much to argue on this one. It's all pretty much bunk :D

Just giving you a hard time ron.
 
Matt your still my hero :D


BTW that monti at the shop is getting an awesome color to it, looks like you were right about it.
 
Its all happened befor and its going to happend again with our without or help
I think thats the sad truth about it, both is side are only half right and i belive the conclusion is some where right in the midde :)
 
Either way Nathan it would appear that almost every scientist is taking it seriously, maybe its just to get funding I don't know or care.

I think it's funny how we choose to argue about somethings validity rather than investigate the full possibility. If something sounds to far fetched well it simply can not be true. Mankind are all complete morons IMO.

Nothing personal Im one to.

"But I could really care less"

Besides Im banking on global warming to help with the increasing winter gas prices... Oh no I said gas, well that's enough controversy for this post :D
 
I never said I was agreeing or disagreeing with it nor did i say i was argueing. lol Im all up for investigating and reasearching after all thats why im becoming an engineer ;)

I don't think any thing is to far fetched except for light speed or even LUDACRIS SPEED:strooper: lol got to love Space Balls "they have gone to plad!"

Wow this could be the most random bunch of semi related topics i have ever posted lol I guess thats why 12 hours of calculus does to you :hmm5:



Any way how about America we really suck at soccer lol
 
All I know is I worked outside all day and it was hot as hell!!!!!
So I think there is something going on.
 
Weeell, there's this little thing called the North Atlantic Conveyor...which would be an interesting discussion with people who understand something something about flow and salt water...
 
Just googled that and man its amazing how things like that work!!! I remember a little about that from my earth geo class 2 semesters ago. I remember the professor saying it can take over a thousand years for water to make a round trip

found here http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/Science/Conveyor.asp

"Deep water slowly travels through the oceanic abyss, eventually mixing up to the surface in distant parts the world, as much as 1000 years later.'
 
I fall in the category of "somewhere in between" on the global warming issue. It has been politicized & therefore subject to radicals from the left as well as the right. That being said, I agree with Phil, its hot as balls, & a fatbody like me cant take it!!!

Bring on the next ice age baby!!!! That will be my time to thrive!!! :P
 
Re the Conveyor: Takes a thousand years over all, a lot of it in the cold deep, but the warm surface current travels much faster, as I recall...which is not the big problem.
The main problem is the meltwater coming into it out of Canada, which is where fresh water gets into the act---that and the fact that the ice has broken up in the north pole regions, and there's open water up there---ice is freshwater, pure and simple, and it's melted into the mix. Not to mention the major pieces that have come off the south polar ice sheet, which will also melt as fresh water when they get to temperate seas. If the salinity changes due to too much fresh water, the theory goes, the Conveyor stops. Research has been studying ice corings and such going back multiple thousands of years, figuring out the weather patterns and how it coordinates with local geology, etc.

Indications are when this process of salinity change starts, the shutdown of the Conveyor is fast, and the warm water no longer sweeps past the coast of England and the US West Coast. Which means we up in the north get out the snowshovels and people in the southern US prepare to bake. Heat pools where it tends to be hot and cold where it's cold, because the thing that moves it on around the world has switched off.

If that thing does switch off, you got to pack up and get north, is all, Grendl and Phil, and help us Spokanites shovel the white stuff.
 
Im more concerned with the little reported possibility of the reflective attributes of the poles being decreased due the the amount of loss of the caps. As the white (reflective ice) retreats or melts the darker sea beneath becomes a stronger conductor of thermal energy which in turn speeds up the melting of the poles. I could care less if humans caused it or not, the point is that that part of the equation can not be argued. The poles are melting and if the dark water theory is right it can quicken the effects that Sk8r is referring to by years rather than centuries.


Nathan don't even think ludicrous speed is just science fiction everyone who has a reef tank knows that that is the measure of speed at which an unwanted damsel that you are trying to catch out of your tank avoids your net :D
 
That's true, re the albedo effect. We live in interesting times.

There's some evidence the Little Ice Age [Viking times until fairly recently] was in part brought on by volcanic eruption, but there may have been some human factors, like population increase and wood fires...minor pushes toward that event: the volcano was bigger. There was also the Year without A Summer---I think that was the Tambora eruption, but don't quote me on that one. That's almost within 3 gens of living memory.

What's going on now is more than either, since the poles were not defrosted during the Little Ice Age, and I'm not sure the Conveyor was disrupted.

Finally remembered the word I was trying for: thermohaline [heat/salt] conveyor. It's the sinking of warm salt water that cools up against northern ice that drives the conveyor, which loops around the ocean basins and provides the currents.

Not to mention what a sudden stagnation in that current would do to sea life. I don't think anybody's studied what effects the last conveyor shutdown might have had, bringing polar life well down the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, and really heating up the tropic shallows and reefs.

How old IS the Great Barrier Reef? Now I'm curious. Does it date only from the last major Ice Age breakup?
 
Well, I suppose I'll chime in at this point. I think global warming-- er uh global climate change-- er, uh whatever the PC term is THIS week is a complete crock of bovine dung. Mars is getting hotter! I'll bet it's due to those damned solar-powered Mars rovers we unleashed on the Martian landscape spewing greenhouse gasses and... wait a minute... they don't spew anything. Oh well, I suppose I'll have to chalk it up (is that the right word?? "chalk"?? or is it "chock"?? I don't know.) to the fact that the sun is going through a little temper tantrum and getting hotter right now.

Also, we have ample evidence of thriving people colonies along the coast of Greenland pointing to a time in the not-too-distant past when farming was taking place in areas that never get above freezing now. I could go on for days but my point is that the Earth has survived far worse (meteor strikes etc.) than we can ever dish out. Yet, we still have coral reefs to this day.

Do I cringe when I see a reef in south Florida devastated by high phosphate agricultural run off??? Hell yes I do! Do I get upset at people in rural Pacific islands dynamiting reefs to collect LR??? You bet your arse I do! We should stop this kind of activity and do all that we can to eliminate the pressure on wild reefs that our hobby creates. That is why we grow our own stuff. But, no matter how many frags we grow, it won't stop coral bleaching in south Florida caused by agricultural run off. If we want to tackle that problem and other ones like it, we need to expand the scope of what we do. To summarize, we should minimize our impact on the reefs caused by our hobby-- which in reality isn't that great compared to other man-made causes of decline. In addition, we should, as a people at least, work to minimize the impact on the reefs of our activities cause that are unrelated to our glass boxes. However, I am just not ready to swallow the doom and gloom prophecies of the left that swirl around SUVs, air conditioning, and cans of hairspray. Nor am I prepared to believe that the human race could destroy the planet! No matter what we do! We could burn off all living things on earth with a nuclear holocost and Hopmo sapiens would disappear along with everything else. But... the Earth itself would recover and in a million years, and you would not even be able to tell that we were here at all.

The "planet" isn't going anywhere. The biosphere isn't going anywhere. If anything, the human race is. Even that is debatable.

OK. That's more than 2 cents. Probably more like $1.53 but thats what I think.
 
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