Anemone Before... and... After.

quoted from Garf.org and written by Joyce Wilkerson a small exerpt from the article: (and this only relates to "host" Anemone)

A recent survey of reefkeepers conducted by Joyce Wilkerson found that among a couple hundred respondents only 5% of hobbyists with *2-5 years* of reefkeeping experience had managed to keep their anemone alive for 2 years or more (this survey was specific to the clownfish/anemone host species Entacmaea, Heteractis, Stiochodactyla, Macrodactyla & Cryptodendrum). That's not very encouraging is it? To make it worse, among hobbyists with less than 2 years of experience, nearly half of the anemones purchased were dead within 3 months -- overall only 1 in 13 anemones survived for 3 years or more and only 1 in 32 anemones survived for 5 or more years in captivity (which by most accounts is considered success in this hobby)

The upside is that I do not believe that captive bred animals suffer this extreme mortality (at least from the follow up I have managed to accomplish)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9827078#post9827078 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefnetworth
maybe those of you who have little experience with an anemone had bad luck. i know FlReefGirl, she is very comprehensive in her ability to learn. she knows how to keep parms almost perfect, 100% of the time. she is one of the lucky ones to have an anemone to survive this long in a new/1 month old tank to present. how many of you have kept everything you bought, alive from day one, without a single casualty from ANYTHING in the tank? snails, crabs, etc? each tank is different and everyone takes different care of their tank. i will have to agree, i would like to see it in a few more months myself. i know anemone very well.
"let he who is innocent, cast the first stone" long live your anemone Amy!:rollface: :p
JDM...:cool:


Hi Reef Masta' - Thanks for the back up. :D


Jer77 - Thank you for your detailed history and advice. That is what my intentions were by starting this thread.


Randall - We get it. Are you done yet? Why not turn a positive cheek here and give some helpful advice about care taking instead of dooming statistics. Use you almighty anemone knowledge to help the people who already have one instead of trying to deter people from ever getting one.
 
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Has anyone else heard that 44% of all statistics are made up?

What was the sample group surveyed? Experience level? Types of anemones? Other tank mates? Water parameters? Lighting? SG? Weeks of vacation? Frequency of water changes? How often fed? Hosted? Access to the internet or other aquarists?

I can do a scientific study too -- Who has successfully kept an anemone in a "new" system when purchased bleched?

Oh look --- 3 just in this thread alone.

<B>Jerr77</B> Thank you for the detailed information.

<B> FLReefGirl</B> Again kudos for doing so a terrific job with your anemone

<B>Randall James</B> We ALL get it - you are the anemone expert - I bow in your presence and beg for acceptance in your isolated little existence.

Seriously though - you have a tremendous amount of knowledge and experience, it would just be more beneficial to evereone if you learned how to use it. If you have never tried to bring a bleached nem back to health in a "new" system you really have no right telling anyone else how to do it or that they are wrong for doing it. I am certainly not going to tell my surgeon that he needs to use a cauderizing needle when he takes my appendix out because I read that a doctor in brazil accidently slipped and lopped the big toe off a man while using a scalpel once, or twice, or three times even - he has the experience to know what his capabilities are.....and so do we.
 
Well what I got out of all of this is that I will need to be prepeared to take really good care of my anemone when I get it. :) thank you so much for the info I am thinking on probably ordering my first two clowns tonight, will see
 
fafa316, (just my opinion) This is what I would do, first deside what species of anemone I wanted. Then find out what it likes and dislikes (sand, rocks, high flow low flow). buy the anemone first. Give him about a week or so the plant his foot and find a nice comfortable spot to hang out. When you see that the anemone looks happy where it is then buy the clowns and all should be well. This is not law or the way it must be done this is just the way I would do it if i were in your shoes. you would have a very good chance of sucess if you did it like this.
Good luck! i think you can do it. You are starting out right by being here and learning before you buy the animal.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9793060#post9793060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cdangel0
Looks great - congrats - just another example of how myths run rampant in this hobby. Anemones CAN and ARE kept in new systems with great success.
Seems you are the one taking such an aggressive attitude here, I am simply posting links and data that are in fact proven facts and not "Rampant Myths" as you so kindly stated early in this thread.

I have not personally attacked you and yet you seem to feel that you need to retaliate for some unknown reason.

You stated that the success rate must be 66% because of the people that posted in this thread and I told you I would find my links for you... (and I did)

yet you go off the deep end tsk tsk....
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9828757#post9828757 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral
first deside what species of anemone I wanted. Then find out what it likes and dislikes (sand, rocks, high flow low flow). buy the anemone first. Give him about a week or so the plant his foot and find a nice comfortable spot to hang out. When you see that the anemone looks happy where it is then buy the clowns and all should be well.

You are starting out right by being here and learning before you buy the animal.

I couldn't agree more. :D
 
cdangel0 just out of curiosity, you photographed the bleached Anemone on Nov 30 and the next photo of the healthy one in January. You brought the bleached animal back to full color in 30 days?

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Really amazing a completely bleached Anemone came back so fast
 
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This is not unbelievable for this anemone. I have placed light colored ones (not bleached this bad though) under 250W 5500K MH and had them turn brown in weeds. This is one tough sea anemone.
 
I do get a lot of info from all the discussion.. and even if I have had a reef tank 2yrs.. I am a noob when it comes to anemome....

I bought a bubble tip ( green color, not rose) and my marroon went crazy , snuggled up to the thing 24/7.. it couldnt even stretch out.. so not sure about this weird behavior.. I took it out. Should i put it back ? its doing fine in a diff tank. Is there really a need to use an anemone for a host ?

And negative information is as helpful as positive info.. Unless you know how to avoid pitfalls you may be doomed to fall into the pit eventually. While misinformation is a stick in the eye, its hard for a noob to know what info is misinfo until a discussion can help sort it out.. So I appreciate ALL the info.
 
Hahah Randall is a riot... being outside of this conversation the whole time has perhaps given me a different perspective. Your argument is seriously flawed buddy. First we'll take your word for it that the INSTANT someone buys a nem from said shop they immediately replace that one and start abusing/slowing killing yet another anemone. You obviously feel that the buyer is the sinner here, they are after all creating the demand in the first place. Where exactly did the shop get that anemone though? What if there was some kind of place that grew them in mass for resale... what if in fact every time the store needed to restock they didn't toss on their wet suits and hit the Gulf? What if they ordered them from someone.... oh geez I don't know, like you? Does that make YOU the bad guy? Are you growing these animals in preparation for a slow, agonizing death just to turn a buck? No, you may make the gun but you're not responsible for the drive by shooting.

Lesson; lighten up, it's the internet. People come to forums like this looking for help and support from peers. Not to be belittled by someone with an "obviously" superior post count.
 
mlrtime99Lesson; lighten up, it's the internet. People come to forums like this looking for help and support from peers. Not to be belittled by someone with an "obviously" superior post count.

Thank You! That's what I've been saying.
 
hey RJames! maybe the injected dye took that long to disepate. ever think about that? now the natural color is coming back? whos to say, you never know. i bought a bleached red monti once that when i placed it in my tank it was a green in two weeks. when brought back to life in a manner of speakin. now my LFS owes me store credit. :lol: his source was a regular customer, just wanting more for his frag than it was worth.
JDM...:cool:
 
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Well mlrtime99, if I was breeding for profit, I would not be doing so well, any half baked production should generate about 1000 Anemone a year, they sell for about $10 each (RBTA) to the wholesaler and they sell them for $15-30 each.
You did highlight my point, they do in fact replace the Anemone as fast as they can if they are selling. Just retail is all....

reefnetworth: "maybe the injected dye took that long to disepate"(sic)
Bleaching has nothing to do with dyed Anemone. Dyed animals typically show up in very vivid colors. Pinks, yellows and I have seen blue and green as well. It would dissipate over time but most of the animals die first. Seems a reefer with 17 years of experience would know this however.

The Anemone he had is not what is typically considered a "Hosting" anemone, it looks to be a condi or similar species.

I find it pretty interesting that you would compare a red monitpora to an Anemone. I have never seen anyone dye a monti yet.

Anyway, trying to bring a bit of the real world into this has been fun but I suppose if you are not receptive to the plight of these animals, you are not going to see what the point was.

Just remember to post in 3 or so years about how your animals are doing. Keeping logs is also helpful as those who follow this are interested in specifics of care when it comes to keeping "hosting" Anemone alive of extended periods. As there does not seem to be any real conclusions as to what is the key at this point.

Cheers :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9829074#post9829074 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randall_James
cdangel0 just out of curiosity, you photographed the bleached Anemone on Nov 30 and the next photo of the healthy one in January. You brought the bleached animal back to full color in 30 days?


Really amazing a completely bleached Anemone came back so fast

Just goes to show you what a little TLC and some research will do for these animals. I have to imagine that those dates are pretty accurate.

And please keep in mind I amnot attacking you directly - I am upset with everyone in your whole school of thought that keeping a bleached Nem in a New system can never be done and anyone that does so is a murderer.

You are the one that insinuated that I should not be giving anyone advice because I do not have enough experience in the hobby, but don't you think that I am EXACTLY the one - along with FLReefGirl and Jerr77- to be giving advice on this topic as we have been the ones successful?

I'm not going to try to teach anyone how to split them in two that is your gig - I've never done it. Likewise you really shouldn't be discouraging people that have been successful at something from sharing it with everyone else.

I'm done now - this has been a lot of fun but is getting redundent.
 
Hmmm, then based on what I've read so far I must be in the 5% club. I have a purple tip anemone that I've had for ?? since I set up my first tank. It has split so many times I stopped counting. I've had the same pair of mated false percs in the same anemone all that time too. I just removed the latest sibling of that anemone last week and took it to the aquarium store. I was in the store a few days after I took the anemone in and in a tank of about 10 different anemones the only tomato clown in the tank was guess where...in my purple tip.

My original anemone has seen 3 different tanks, 3 hurricanes and their acompanied power outages and reduced light schedule, ph, ca, & alk swings for various reasons, pump failures and leaking volts, coral wars, and my hands in the tank all the time. It's thriving as it always has. Right at this very moment the clowns are tending their latest batch of eggs the size of a quarter next to it.

I think the single best piece of advice I was given was to feed her occasionally. So once in a while when I have some extra shrimp left over after fishing I'll pinch the head off one and remove the shell. Then I stick the shrimp on a feeding stick and she sucks that shrimp in like she's starving. The next day you can see how happy she is by how much she's swelled up and flowing in the current.

Good Luck with yours and just keep the tank healthy and you'll be fine.
 
surfjeepzx - I think the single best piece of advice I was given was to feed her occasionally. So once in a while when I have some extra shrimp left over after fishing I'll pinch the head off one and remove the shell. Then I stick the shrimp on a feeding stick and she sucks that shrimp in like she's starving. The next day you can see how happy she is by how much she's swelled up and flowing in the current.

Good Luck with yours and just keep the tank healthy and you'll be fine.

Hi neighbor. I recently moved to Lake Mary from Port Orange. :D

Thanks for the positive advice and the well wishes. I'm glad to hear how great your nem has done and how hardy it sounds.
I wonder if mine will ever split. It's about 7" now and that's not fully extended. It stays shaped like a cup, sort of, most of the time. When I put it in the tank I dug a tiny little hole for it to plant its foot. It seems to have settled there nicely.
 
So much is unknown about anemones it makes it hard to give simple answers to specific care questions. To make it more interesting we put these animals into aquariums and subject them to our home "experiment". Then it is our job, as the consumer and the collector, to make sure we care for these animals appropriately. How do we do this? By people sharing their experiences and listening to others. This is very basic, but for some its painstakingly hard. Infact what a great day that a new anemone keeper gets to talk with a breeder with far more experience any time of day from home. So why not try and share experiences? There's so much communication between people its almost deafening, so we need to choose wisely what we listen too. Don't make it any harder please.

Now I will speak as a consumer for which I am. Anemone care for me starts at the LFS or maybe on the internet if you can actually see what your getting. This is a very important part for sucess in any kind of anemone. It is up to the consumer, err...mostly in the real world, to choose a healthy specimen in order to not only ensure a long and prosperous life, but also to deter the import of ones that are not healthy. In the long run it will hopefully yield better techniques and procedures for capturing, importing, or aquaculturing. So I will never buy a bleached anemone again, even if it means higher prices to get quality livestock to a limited extent. This is just my opinion so I'm not bashing anyone who has bought one cause I have too. So please if you have the chance to buy an anemone from your LFS watch it for 5-7 days in their tanks. The reason being I've seen, when I worked at my LFS, and have experienced buying anemones purely on the way it looks at the moment, to find out later either at home or the next day in the store that it looks completely different. For Internet sales maybe you can trust some companies as to the health of their anemones- I have and it turned out ok.

To speak about care during acclimation, patience is key, as always. It would help to know the temp, salinity, and pH of the water it came from so I always ask or test the water that it comes in. Anemones are very particular to changes in their environment so the stress of acclimation can cause and have caused many of them to perish. I have noticed however that one time I didn't acclimate one and it did better adjusting to my tank than my first one. I'd have to say that the Heteractis crispa was very healthy though.

Once properly acclimated, the anemone is placed into the tank. I'd suggest reserving a large area for the anemone to wander and eventually find its place. This is where luck comes in handy for some, but by researching its proper environment and re-creating it in your tank as closely as possible can help to ensure its happiness. Once it has established itself in your tank anemones can be very hardy. I can definately speak or H. crispa on this because of what I put mine through. IMO I think H. crispa is even as tough as E. quadricolor. So there is hope for us anemone lovers that understand our role in it all. :):)

If other people have anemones even if they never were bleached it would be great to have more information and experiences on the subject.

Here's some more pics of my anemones from today:

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The smaller and tan colored H. crispa:

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And it feeding:

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Also my rock anemone with 2 sexy anemone shrimp:

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Randall, man, just give up, I too have found the new tank forum has turned into the advice from people who don't know what the heck they are talking about forum, speculation from new people with less than a year or so of experience who think they know it all...for all the people that want to dog Randall, I believe what he is saying is this...great that this anemone is doing well, however, don't take this as encouragement to others to try the same, you will likely fail....

why do those who have been in the hobby longer advise against poor choices? do you really think its for kicks? no it is because we don't want to see new people make the same tired mistakes again and again, kill animals, get discouraged and leave the hobby, and trust me Cdangel, I have been on RC long enough to see hundreds if not THOUSANDS of people do that very thing, quite...because they start too fast and disaster strikes...you are an arrogant person to think that with a year of experience, yes bud I can see your sig line :D, that you know more than people who have been in this for the long haul...this type of total lack of knowledge combined with a jerk attitude is why so many people who actually know anything are leaving RC for other forums....and you know what, experienced people know this stuff because YES they have BEEN through it, they have SEEN it, they know others that have SEEN it, experience is everything in this hobby and until you learn to deal with that, you will be forever a newbie.
 
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jer77, I think the anemone in your top pic is actually a Heteractus Malu, the one further down a Crispa. (i THINK):)

My first anemone was a H Malu, at the time I got it I knew zippo. I had a 2 foot tank into which I put some rock from the lfs that was already cured. I few days later I put the anemone in, not knowing any better.
Anyhow, the anemone did great, I put two false percs in which hosted in it, but the anemne, which started out about 6 inches across, got so big it could stretch from one end of the tank to the other. So I sold it & got a bta.
I have heard Malus are a difficult anemone but mine survived all my nuubi mistakes and prospered. The tank did have 4 inches of sand which it got its foot into & that, I think, made it feel secure.
 
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