Anemone Before... and... After.
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FLReefGirl
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AWESOME!
FLReefGirl
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I'm glad you're feeling better about having an anemone.
If you are this concerned about it now and you don't have one yet I believe you will have the same devotion to caring for it once you have one.
Best Wishes!
Randall_James
Premium Member
Not sure how to say this politely, but 3 months does not make for a "doing beautifully" statement. It can and does take a year for one of these animals to die and considering they live to be 100 years or more in the wild, 3 months is nothing.
I can empathize with your "Awesome" statement as it just reinforces your idea that you are doing the correct thing. People go to a dozen doctors to hear what they want, in this case, we are just going to wait for posts from other new reef tank owners.
Post back in a year or so....
Cheers.....
coyoteseven
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Some anemones can be tough... I got a hitch hiking rock/flower anemone over four years ago that came with my first LR. It was a little smaller than a dime when I first saw it and now it's almost 5" across. This bugger has survived a couple of cycles, cyano blooms, GHA forests, hermit crab stompings and 1.030 SG :eek1: to mention a few less than desirable conditions.
It may not win any beauty contests, but it is my favorite critter and happily sits beside its rock on the sand in the dead center of my 90g.
It may not win any beauty contests, but it is my favorite critter and happily sits beside its rock on the sand in the dead center of my 90g.
FLReefGirl
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Why be so negative? How about a little advice instead of grief.
You make it sound like everything added to a tank before the so called time limit is doomed to die no matter what. My "Awesome" comment is not put out there to give everyone the green light to ignore guide lines. This person went as far as to obtain many items that this particular anemone was relying on for support at that time in order to make its transition more successful. I think that's great. Should they have waited until their system was more mature? Probably, but they didn't, just like many others who make the same mistake but we try to make the best of it and provide the best care we can.
Yes, I'm a noobie (almost 5 months) and NO, I'm not looking for what I want to hear. I've made mistakes just like everyone else. No one is perfect. We learn from our mistakes, make the best of it, and move forward w/ our new knowledge. OK, my rant is done.
Nanemene
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I'm gonna have to agree. I realize I don't have the most ideal of conditions, but 1) I am mitigating them to my best ability and 2) I am planning for serious corrections coming soon.
My anemone is healthy, and that's not just a newbie hoping he sees what he wants to see. In the morning, when the lights come on, he is somewhat curled up with one clown totally buried inside and one just under his tentacles on the outside. Within the hour, he blooms to fully open and spends the day gently waving back and forth with the clowns alternating between chasing others away from him and wading through his tentacles themselves.
All test show appropriate readings and I change 20% of my water each day.
My anemone is not on a one-year death spiral, but to be honest, I am used to such criticism. I have freshwater tanks as well, and no matter which forum I join, there is always some "grizzled old vet" who will immediately tell you, no matter what:
1) Your tank is too small
2) You have all the wrong equipment
3) You're overstocked
4) You should turn your livestock over to the LFS and walk away
Typically, this is all stated in a "I'm the smart old guy, you're the dumb preschooler, now listen carefully little fool" type of manner.
Slips right off the shoulder nicely with a quick brush.
My anemone is healthy, and that's not just a newbie hoping he sees what he wants to see. In the morning, when the lights come on, he is somewhat curled up with one clown totally buried inside and one just under his tentacles on the outside. Within the hour, he blooms to fully open and spends the day gently waving back and forth with the clowns alternating between chasing others away from him and wading through his tentacles themselves.
All test show appropriate readings and I change 20% of my water each day.
My anemone is not on a one-year death spiral, but to be honest, I am used to such criticism. I have freshwater tanks as well, and no matter which forum I join, there is always some "grizzled old vet" who will immediately tell you, no matter what:
1) Your tank is too small
2) You have all the wrong equipment
3) You're overstocked
4) You should turn your livestock over to the LFS and walk away
Typically, this is all stated in a "I'm the smart old guy, you're the dumb preschooler, now listen carefully little fool" type of manner.
Slips right off the shoulder nicely with a quick brush.
Scuba_Steve
Premium Member
Re: Anemone Before... and... After.
The original post on this thread. Is she doing anything wrong by posting pictures, and progress on her tank? She is a newbie, posting in the newbie forum. Someone chimed in with a little more experience, fine. But now this is starting to be a flame. Give her a break! Great looking anemone FLReefGirl! I hope it continues to do just as well as its doing now. You should feel proud that you nursed it back to health. Just keep up with your maintenance to give it the best chance possible (which you are obviously already doing).
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9792643#post9792643 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FLReefGirl
Hi Everyone.
I just wanted to update you on my anemone. Some of you were concerned about it in the past (being bleached) and I just wanted to update you on its progress.
It was added to my tank when the tank was only 1 month old. Being the newbie I didn't know any better. It gets 10 hours of light a day. It's fed mostly by what I feed the fish daily (emerald entre and brine shrimp)and the false percs that host it. I add marine snow and mysis when I feed my sun coral and open brain 2 times a week.
Enjoy!
The original post on this thread. Is she doing anything wrong by posting pictures, and progress on her tank? She is a newbie, posting in the newbie forum. Someone chimed in with a little more experience, fine. But now this is starting to be a flame. Give her a break! Great looking anemone FLReefGirl! I hope it continues to do just as well as its doing now. You should feel proud that you nursed it back to health. Just keep up with your maintenance to give it the best chance possible (which you are obviously already doing).
cdangel0
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Why so incredibly negative all the time? How exactly did you become the Anemone expert ? It amazes me that someone can come to this board trying to get help - post update pics of their apparent success - try to tell others what they have done to be successful -and yet here is someone else with 5668 posts that has nothing more constructive to say then "you've done it wrong, you can't be doing that, youre not having success yet..blah..blah..blah..da blah" BTW it seems that most of your posts are derogatory in some fashion - people come here for help and community - not to be picked on.
And while we're at it - I looked at your tnak pics page and....
If you hit the brakes these things don't happen - I know so - I read it on a message board once.
Randall_James
Premium Member
Actually I raise tank bred E.Quadricolors for a wholesale house and I get to hear about the success and failures pretty often. I just recently sent out my 400th animal. I am also propagating Rock flower Anemone's (Beaded Anemone) as they appear to be very hardy animals as well. (READ: best chance of success) but they are rather slow going at this point.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9815856#post9815856 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cdangel0
Why so incredibly negative all the time? How exactly did you become the Anemone expert ? It amazes me that someone can come to this board trying to get help - post update pics of their apparent success - try to tell others what they have done to be successful -and yet here is someone else with 5668 posts that has nothing more constructive to say then "you've done it wrong, you can't be doing that, youre not having success yet..blah..blah..blah..da blah" BTW it seems that most of your posts are derogatory in some fashion - people come here for help and community - not to be picked on.
And while we're at it - I looked at your tnak pics page and....
If you hit the brakes these things don't happen - I know so - I read it on a message board once.
I do not advertise this because it would basically violate TOS here and I do not sell to the public. Saves me having to constantly decline open sales of these unique animals that live longer than most people.
The car wreck, not sure who that belongs too but I simply provide several gigabytes of free web space for aquarium keepers to store and share photographs at no charge (I give back to this hobby financially as well, would you care do donate?)
If you take as much time to research my statements as you did complaining about them, you would see that they are factual and pretty sad at the same time. When you take a wild animal from the ocean, odds are good it will not be replaced and IF there was a clown hosting with it, that clown stands a 0% chance of survival.
I promote captive bred purchases and can only guess how many of the 90 day wonders still have the animal in 3 or 4 years (most have tank crashes and get rid of the tanks never to be heard from again)
I will find the car photos and remove them at your request however
hmello@bermexin
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Good job on the comeback from a poorly taken care of bleached specimen to a beautifully recovering sebae. While the odds are not in your favor for a long lived specimen, read some of the research done by Robert Fenner on wetwebmedia.com, certainly the odds have been beaten.
cdangel0
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Bottom line is this - there are many "rules of thumb" in this hobby and every other. 90% of the time they MAY BE dead on - but there is still 10% of the time that people like myself and FLReefGirl have success. And yes going from a bleached out anemone to a growing, flowing, eating, natural colored anemone IS a success. Do we really need to be chastized for it?
So you breed anemones - that's great - I don't have the experience to do that. But it also means that you dont raise or keep them, and you <B>hear</B> about the successes and failures but don't get to experience them first hand.
I cared for and brought back a bleached out anemone that was "on the brink of death, never going to be abel to keep it, take it back now or it'll melt and ruin your whole tank..." I seem to be doing OK, and so does FLReefGirl. I don't think we need to be flamed for what we have done or sharing <B>OUR</B> experience with anyone else.
My mother always taught me that if I didn't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all...I should have headed that advice 3 days ago when this conversation started.
Peace.
So you breed anemones - that's great - I don't have the experience to do that. But it also means that you dont raise or keep them, and you <B>hear</B> about the successes and failures but don't get to experience them first hand.
I cared for and brought back a bleached out anemone that was "on the brink of death, never going to be abel to keep it, take it back now or it'll melt and ruin your whole tank..." I seem to be doing OK, and so does FLReefGirl. I don't think we need to be flamed for what we have done or sharing <B>OUR</B> experience with anyone else.
My mother always taught me that if I didn't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all...I should have headed that advice 3 days ago when this conversation started.
Peace.
Randall_James
Premium Member
Well time to faint .... My breed stock has been with me for a number of years and they always stay with me.
I reach in to the breeding tank once a month, lift them out and then with a razor sharp filet knife, slice them in half. Half goes back in the donor side, the other is the clone side. (sure hope these guys do not feel anything
) 10% exception to the rule is likely around 8% too high. Kudos to anyone that manages to take a bleached animal and save it. (admirable, yes, good move? maybe not)
The problem is that in this hobby, even the best reef keepers end up with water issues in the first couple years that will kill a large portion of their livestock.
It is sad and unavoidable, accidents happen.
The problem with the Anemone's is that they do not propagate well in the wild. (I am of the belief that wild harvest should be banned entirely) Areas that have been stripped clean of wild Anemone's likely will never again have them.
As a sport diver, you will go to an area that 5 or 10 years ago were alive with different animals and today they are stripped clean of them. (this is why I decided to start propagating in the first place).
Every time someone goes to a petstore and buys a bleached animal (knowing it is and am now going to save it), the store things "Hey, easy sale, get some more" and a week later, there are 3 more in the tanks.
So the Samaritan gesture that saved 1 animal , just got 3 more removed from the ocean and for every 10 that are harvested, 1 or 2 might survive. Not all keepers are diligent enough to find out what it takes to save an animal and follow through. They just think cool animal. Add this to the fact that many tank owners will simply replace it with another when it dies because they like the way it looks. (sad huh? most professional tank maintenance guys will tell you about these people, they like the look of an fish or animal and it dies, they will gladly pay for another)
cdangel0
New member
Then we as aquarists (well at least me) would like to commend you on your decision to begin propogating your own anemones. I can not disagree with anything in your post other then the 2% - there are 2 people on this thread that have had sucess, and 1 that has heard of failure -that's a 66% success rate, now I am aware that not everyone that belongs to RC has chimed in (thank god, that would be one heck of a thread) but I do not think that the demise of these animals based solely on "new tank syndrome" is as rampant as we think - I am sure there are many, many, many other reasons people with new tanks can not keep nems:
experience level
lack of routine
lack of tank mainetenance
lack of feeding properly
other inhabitants
etc.
etc.
etc.
experience level
lack of routine
lack of tank mainetenance
lack of feeding properly
other inhabitants
etc.
etc.
etc.
