Anemone now and after

[redvipe2010]

Weather his anemone survives or not is irrelevant at this point. We would not intentionally put an anemone through that stress. We also wouldn't feed an anemone what he is feeding, and we wouldn't keep it in those conditions.
He was given the best advice available.

 

[55semireef]

glockcoma, can we see some more shots of your GBTA? I don't think the most recent picture you took does much justification. Its hard to tell if its bleaching. The first picture shows your GBTA a little deflated while your second picture shows it inflated. When any anemone deflates, its pigments and zooxanthellae are being compressed in a smaller region thus giving it a brighter more colorful look. So when you posted your second picture, it looked less colorful because it was fully inflated which led to some of us to believe that it was bleaching therefore not receiving enough light. What you should do is go take about three pictures as soon as possible and post them. Then we will be able to compare your second picture to the ones you just took. Did all that make sense?

 

[glockcoma]

lol, slakker, good logical post.

Ill put some up soon 55semireef

get a grip already vipe, just call me murderer already!
get this, I have a tube anemone too, OHH NOOO! lol!


1.5 months ago

couple of days ago

 

[55semireef]

Fortunately, tube anemones don't require a specific intensity of light for their survival. They are actually pretty simple creatures to keep alive if you know what your semi doing.

 

[nick18tjetta]

Tube anemones are bullet proof IME. I had to get rid of one becuase it was eating fish, but it was one of my favorite tank inhabitants.

I just wish you would value the life of the animals in your tank more, and not look at them as replacable decorations.

 

[GSMguy]

hey i bet you can keep aptasia alive too what an acomplisment

 

[glockcoma]

This is rediculous, now they are just decorations to me, and I dont value life of my animals, who in the f()@$# are you, do you know me, do you think the anemone is the only inhabitant I got, click on the red house for a look at my other tank inhabitants, I care for all of them.

Give me a freakin break here, how many times do I have to state that I will do my best to assure the anemones survival and health.

good greif, call PETA on me already!

 

[traveller7]

I can't fathom the need to remind folks numerous times about losing the message when it gets delivered in too personal a manner....

Quite a few need to take a break and remember we are here to help each other improve our ability to care for our inhabitants.

glockcoma,

Quite a bit of well meaning advise has been presented in some manner. If you would like another opinion, your anemone is upset. In 30 days time I would have expected it to have a measured increase in tentacle length by 3x from the first picture, and at least doubled in width.

The reason for the lack of growth could be a lack of direct feeding, a lack of light, water quality outside it's desire, an abusive clown, and/or predation.

If it were mine I would be trying to feed it every other day with fish based meals of 1cmx1cm size and keeping the water quality as stable as possible.

Cheers and good luck.

 

[55semireef]

traveller7, good point about noticing the lack of growth. I didn't even realize. He's right glock, your anemone is growing very slow which is not a good sign. I would say your BTA needs a more mature tank. Why don't you just sell it locally? I am sure there are many that would be willing to buy it for a fair price. Time to step up to the plate and do the right thing...imo.

Hey if you want to keep it, sure, but if it does die on you, I would like you to tell us all and not keep it a secret like everyone else does who looses an anemone (I always admit to my mistakes and so do some others).

 

[jeeperrs]

I have read your whole post and think you are fine keeping the anemone. I know everyone will say who the heck is jeeperrs and why does he think his opinion matters. Well, like everyone else my opinion is nothing more than another post on reef central like theirs ha-ha.

The lighting: When I first started this hobby the lighting really confused me. You would think being someone who is working on a Ph.D. a light bulb would be the last of my worries lol. I think if you upgrade your lights you should get T-5's. I ended up getting t-5s and MH's but the heat issues suck when the MH's kick on. Also, I know a guy with a 600 gallon tank and he runs only t-5s. His tank is an example of the power t-5s have at penetrating water (I think his tank is about 3 1/2 feet tall) and he keep anemones and clams alive just fine on the bottom of the tank.

Water changes: Do the 5-10% water change weekly or even biweekly if you can. I have heard lots of new people having good success keeping their water stable as it matures.

Another idea..... If you can move the rock your anemone is attached to up higher in the tank that may help him get a little better light than what he is getting now. Remember, it is hard to tell in a picture how an anemone is doing, outside the anemone's coloration. If I took a picture of my anemone when it was pooping people would tell me it is dead or if I took a picture right when it was fully expanded everyone would say wow it is looking great. The fact they are constantly having to move water through them makes the size sometimes hard to measure when we can only see a split second of it.

Hang in there! Hope my ideas helped a little more than the "take em back" approach. You should find a local club and get advice from them too. They tend to be a little more honest and forgiving since they can't just hide behind a computer screen

 

[nick18tjetta]

This is a bad thread for this hobby, Reefcentral, and future reefers. I would hate for a new hobbyist to read this thread and think it is ok to put an anemone in a new tank still in its initial cycle with low lighting levels. If this thread remains open, that is just what will happen. I have learned in this hobby, that the best tool you have is patience, without it, you may have shorterm success, but you will not have a pair of 6 year old clowns spawning every 2 weeks. You will not have a single bubble anemone split multiple times a year. You will not create a ballanced piece of the ocean in your living room that requires little work and tons of reward. Enjoy your anemone now, and enjoy the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and one day you will learn ( I hope) you need a stable eviroment to have these creatures thrive and reproduce, and maybe you will balance out the ones sacrificed to teach you patience in this hobby.

 

[Slakker]

Actually, they'd probably tell you it was expelling waste

Many of these people have tons of experience with anemones. I'd be comfortable saying that they can tell a lot about the health of an anemone from a picture.

I agree. T-5's are a great lighting solution, and a good system will be perfect for just about any photosynthetic creatures you may desire.

 

[illcssd]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9937160#post9937160 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
Actually, they'd probably tell you it was expelling waste

Many of these people have tons of experience with anemones. I'd be comfortable saying that they can tell a lot about the health of an anemone from a picture.

I agree. T-5's are a great lighting solution, and a good system will be perfect for just about any photosynthetic creatures you may desire.

Just about, key words here,
Magnifica's are one of the few that t-5's are not perfect for.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9937006#post9937006 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jeeperrs
I have read your whole post and think you are fine keeping the anemone. I know everyone will say who the heck is jeeperrs and why does he think his opinion matters. Well, like everyone else my opinion is nothing more than another post on reef central like theirs ha-ha.

The lighting: When I first started this hobby the lighting really confused me. You would think being someone who is working on a Ph.D. a light bulb would be the last of my worries lol. I think if you upgrade your lights you should get T-5's. I ended up getting t-5s and MH's but the heat issues suck when the MH's kick on. Also, I know a guy with a 600 gallon tank and he runs only t-5s. His tank is an example of the power t-5s have at penetrating water (I think his tank is about 3 1/2 feet tall) and he keep anemones and clams alive just fine on the bottom of the tank.

Water changes: Do the 5-10% water change weekly or even biweekly if you can. I have heard lots of new people having good success keeping their water stable as it matures.

Another idea..... If you can move the rock your anemone is attached to up higher in the tank that may help him get a little better light than what he is getting now. Remember, it is hard to tell in a picture how an anemone is doing, outside the anemone's coloration. If I took a picture of my anemone when it was pooping people would tell me it is dead or if I took a picture right when it was fully expanded everyone would say wow it is looking great. The fact they are constantly having to move water through them makes the size sometimes hard to measure when we can only see a split second of it.

Hang in there! Hope my ideas helped a little more than the "take em back" approach. You should find a local club and get advice from them too. They tend to be a little more honest and forgiving since they can't just hide behind a computer screen

They're ideas, not solutions. The key difference in our posts is that we are trying to find solutions that wouldn't jepordize the anemones health. I still respect your contribution to this thread and I do think your ideas are great however its the wrong mindset imo.

 

[jeeperrs]

I agree that they are just my ideas. I have not read one "solution" other than take him back. I mean we don't know anything about his tank other than he is a new person in the hobby. Some people would yell at me for my tank but they have no idea what is in my tank. I have read the links on anemone care here on reef central and the only time frame they give is to wait a month after the tank has cycled. It does not say to wait 3, 6, 9, or 12 months which is what some people seem to suggest. I think some people think a mature tank is how old the glass box is and not what is in the glass box. If this were the case we would never be able to upgrade our tank because it would take 6 months to put anything in it the new upgraded tank.

I just wanted to give him some ideas to correct some of the problems in his tank, such as lighting and helping keep the water more stable. We can criticize all day about his decisions or we can give some "ideas". I don't claim to be anything but a new person to this hobby but that doesn't mean I have not read or talked to other experts in the field. Even the PDF on ReefCentral called "how to care for an anemone" does NOT support the claim to wait more than a month after the tank cycled. Those people who share ideas and experiences are the ones who make me enjoy the hobby, not those how mock others online.

Also, on reefcentral I read all the time to not have more than one anemone in a tank but I have been to many state and national aquariums where they defy reefcentral members on this topic (again, the PDF on reefcentral says this is something that is still unknown). I do believe that there can be problems by having to many anemones in a tank but it can be done, as many aquariums do this. Also, those who say anemones that split are healthy could be incorrect. If it takes a large change in water to encourage splitting, it sounds like they are acting out of their survival instinct to ensure a greater chance of survival in the new environment, not a happy and healthy anemone.

It is funny someone wants to shut down the thread when someone says something different than their belief. I have said nothing more than what ReefCentral suggest in caring for an anemone, unless you think that is a poor PDF and ReefCentral should remove that as well.

 

[glockcoma]

Wonderful and intelligent post Jeepers,

Ok, I found a JBJ 2x65W PC hood for my tank that I will be getting this weekend. So thats 130watts, would this be enough light to sustain the anemone.

 

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9940643#post9940643 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by glockcoma
Wonderful and intelligent post Jeepers,

Ok, I found a JBJ 2x65W PC hood for my tank that I will be getting this weekend. So thats 130watts, would this be enough light to sustain the anemone.

yep

 

[Slakker]

jeeperrs, you can argue with the advice of people who have had success all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the advice they give WORKS.

Success rates are much lower before the 6-month mark than after, that's a simple fact.

 

[jeeperrs]

Slakker, I am not arguing. I am pointing out what ReefCentral accepts as being close to facts when it comes to caring for an anemone. If you can show me the fact you are quoting by a saved thread on ReefCentral that talks about the care for an anemone I will listen a little more. The only place I tend to find the 6 months rule used is from other members who believe in that method but it is not in the core permanent threads. I was kind enough to say where I was getting my information and it is by an accepted and permanent thread on here. In another thread here on ReefCentral you told someone to wait 4 months, now you say six? Are you trying to kill the other person's anemone in the other thread but save this one? You should hold off on slinging the word facts until you are at least consistent. You will find facts are limited and if you want facts you need to pull out peer reviewed journals from the marine biology world that are written by research scientist.

Glockoma, I think that sounds like enough lighting for a PC but if your spending money I would still suggest VHO or T-5s. It isn't much more and will save you on a lighting upgrade later. I have a light system that cost over $1,000 and I wish I had just plain T-5s now (I didn't listen to some advice I was given from club members because I let reefcentral talk me into a MH and T-5 combo ha-ha). Also, if you can do a 5% water change two times a week this will help minimize a lot of trouble based from what I hear others say. I use this method too because we are so concerned about stressing the inhabitants I think the small changes are a LOT less stressful. I know many people who never found success with their reef and now they add nothing to their tank, just because they started doing small water changes more often (that is also mentioned in the PDF here on ReefCentral as a method). All of the people in the club I belong to that I know use this method add zero chemicals and have some of the most beautiful tanks out there. You don't HAVE to use this method but I am a believer in it. Oh, that does not make water changes a fact but opinion from the success I see others have with this method. I can't say fact slakker because if you look at the tank of the month you will see he has not completed a single water change in 2 years but he has managed to win the tank of the month with some of the most difficult corals out there.

 

[55semireef]

You have only read one solution because there is not much you can do besides take the anemone back or keep it and hope that the BTA lives (which it might). How many solutions do you expect? lol.

FWIW, this is definately not enough lighing. As the little PAR PCs put out, there is no way this anemone is receiving enough light especially long term.

The real solution would have been to waited until he got an established tank and did some research beforehand. I read a big article that 1 out of ever 32 anemones purchased only lived past 2 years. What makes you think Glock's anemone is the one out of those 32 that make it given the situation its in? Not to mention, anemones can live over two hundred years yet some of us like to call or think keeping an anemone in captivity for a year success.

Get my point?

Well I am done, have fun.