Another Diatom post, but Im DESPERATE

chitownmarine21

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OK everyone, I am at my whits end with how to solve by algae problems. Ive read hundreds of forums and tried just about everything I can think of to fix this problem. Here is the details:

I have a red sea reefer 450. The tank has been set about about 2 months. I transferred everything from a 75 gal that I had previously had running for about 3 years. The diatoms have actually improved somewhat, since starting the new tank, but they are still abundant. I typically to stick my hand in the tank every couple days to move the sand around because I can stand all the brownness and I also vacuum the sand with every water change (which i have always done, so Im not worried about releasing "bad stuff.")

I have roughly 90-100 pounds of aragonite sand. Most of that was moved over from the old tank but I did add an additional 40 pounds.

I figure there is at least 100 pounds of rock in there.

Skimmer: Reef octopus classic 150-INT in the sump.
BRS Dual reactor with GFO and carbon.
Flow: 2 ecotech MP 40's plus Ecotech M1 return pump.
Water changes: 6 stage RODI unit w/inline TDS meter always kept below 5 TDS. I do at least 10 gallons a week.
Salt: Red sea coral pro
Testing done with red sea test kits as follows:
dKH: 8.68
Cal:470
Mag:1520
pH:8.1 (per apex recently calibrated)
Salinity:1.025
ORP:420
Nitrate:2
Phosphate: .04 (possibly reading low if algae is using nutrients?)
I haven't tested ammonia or nitrite in a long time
Temp:77

Livestock: 2 engineer gobies, 3 pajama cardinal, flame angel, foxface
Ive cut back on feeding to the point where I feel like I'm starving the fish, but it hasn't helped. I typically feed every couple days. Either Reef frenzy frozen food, or a cube of mysis, mixed with some pellets. I do add nori strips more frequently. 1 brittle star. Lots of hermit crabs. Various snails (probably not enough though because they keep disappearing, but thats a whole different problem).

Lighting is 3 AI hydra's mounted 10" above tank.
Current settings:
Ramp up: 9:00 to 11:00
Ramp down: 18:00 to 21:00
Peak settings:
UV:83
Violet:83
Blue:83
Deep Blue:83
Green: 18
Red:10
White: 50
Again, these are just my current settings. Ive tried adjusting the intensity as well as the duration. At one point I was only running the lights about 4 hours a day. That still did not help anything. But then I also read to LITTLE light can contribute to algae growth.

The tank is on a wall that is Appx 8 feet from the nearest window. So I do not think that the direct sunlight plays an issue, not to mention it's winter right now and I havent seen the sun in months.

If anyone has any advice I would greatly appreciate. I finally have my "dream tank" and the fact that I cant get these diatoms under control is killing me. I know that there are some chemicals that I could throw at the problem but I would rather NOT do that. My work schedule would make a proper consistent dosing regiment damn near impossible, plus I would really like to get to the root of the problem. TYIA
 
Does your flow move the water over the sand? Also how long as this tank been up. It could just simply be a matter of time to mature.

The tank has been set about about 2 months. I transferred everything from a 75 gal that I had previously had running for about 3 years. The diatoms have actually improved somewhat, since starting the new tank, but they are still abundant.

As for flow over the sand, I cant say specifically. With the MP 40's you cant really control the direction of the flow, but with their positioning in the tank, the sheer volume of water they are moving, and the different "cycles" I have them programed to with the apex I don't really see how it couldnt be getting enough flow. Also, the algae isint limited to just the sand bed, I consistently have to clean the glass. And I dont mean a little hear and there, there is typically a pretty good film that appears within 24-48 hours
 
Do you run moon lights? Ramp down to 1% or low percentage overnight? Been fighting diatoms for 1.5 years. 3 weeks ago I changed my lighting schedule to go completely dark from 10pm-7am and finally my diatoms are going away! Might have nothing to do with it but might be something to try?


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Have you ever had your water tested for silicates? They can make it threw the RODI if they are in high levels in your tap and you don't have a silica filter.

Plus tds should be 0... i change my DI when it reads 1.

Also what sand? Some sands can cause diatoms via silicate levels. Especially play sand
 
Have you ever had your water tested for silicates? They can make it threw the RODI if they are in high levels in your tap and you don't have a silica filter.

Plus tds should be 0... i change my DI when it reads 1.

Also what sand? Some sands can cause diatoms via silicate levels. Especially play sand

I use white aragonite for my sand bed. Im on well water with a crazy TDS from the tap which is why I have a 6 stage rodi system. 2 sediment filters, carbon block, RO membrane, dual DI resin chambers. Ive honestly never tested for silicates. Not sure how I would even do that. Where could I could a silicate filter if I determine thats what I need.
 
I've been on well water before and dont think silica is an issue with the water, but it might be a regional thing. If you do have silicates in your water, there are silica filter for your RODI. I think there is one called SilicaBuster.

Excess silica in the water is the only thing I can think of as it can be the limiting factor foe diatoms, but I'm not an expert. Usually diatoms come and go after a cycle.
 
I think your tank is still going through a mini cycle since diatom is still there. I think in another 2 months or so it should start to look a lot better. Make sure to have good water movements.
 
I think your tank is still going through a mini cycle since diatom is still there. I think in another 2 months or so it should start to look a lot better. Make sure to have good water movements.

I guess I can try and wait it out and see. Like I said, I battled this issue with my other tank the whole time it was setup. It has gotten better with the new tank, but then again all the equipment has been drastically upgraded from what I had before. Im not overly optimistic that this is just a mini cycle since Ive been battling this for so long, but maybe Ill get lucky and it will eventually go away.
 
Im also considering trying an algae scrubber. Could this be worth the effort? If the algae is growing on the scrubber it will still be removing any of the nutrients that the diatoms are using in the main tank right?
 
Also if you are stiring up sand bed, it might be the cause of it. I syphon my 110g sandbed n i had a lot of diatom oubreak as well as tons of green hair algea over 90% of my rocks wthin 4 or 5 days i think. I stopped n did water changes every 2 weeks also use a bag of phosguard. After two months i was able to get rid of it. I felt like giving up after the outbreak. Now i use a bag of phoseguard and replace it about every 8 months.
 
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If you're getting algae on the glass in 1 day you've got excess nutrients. study up on carbon dosing. vodka/vinegar/nopox there are a lot of ways to dose carbon. you're dong gfo already so that's good.
 
Also if you are stiring up sand bed, it might be the cause of it. I syphon my 110g sandbed n i had a lot of diatom oubreak as well as tons of green hair algea over 90% of my rocks wthin 4 or 5 days i think. I stopped n did water changes every 2 weeks also use a bag of phosguard. After two months i was able to get rid of it. I felt like giving up after the outbreak. Now i use a bag of phoseguard and replace it about every 8 months.

I know people have said if you haven't stirred the sand bed in the past you shouldn't randomly start because it could release bad stuff. But I've always consistently done that anytime I clean the tank. Also, if I keep it stirred up that seems to keep a relatively "light" layer of the algae. I worry that if I didn't do that it would just turn into a thick mat.
 
I would think you should look into your source water if your having an ongoing issue of diatoms years into a tank. Sounds like the best place to start imo

Also there's a few guys on here and the other site that will test your algae for an absolute ID . giving you a better idea of how to actually kill/control it.

And then there's the new wonder bacteria elixir vibrant that has been gaining some serious steam in the hobby as of late.

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I don't know if it's what it is but they do have a type of Dino that resembles diatoms. I thought I couldn't get rid of diatoms for around a year & come to find out it was Dino
 
Nopo4x is for nutrient issues mainly nitrate. That's what you feel is causing your issue?

I'm not against Nopo4x I've been using it for years and make my own from a recipe on the forums but I wouldn't think it's gonna contribute to getting rid of a specific algae on the sand bed that's been there for years. But that's just my opinion.. It does work great for nutrient control though

Just some info from a 8+ year user of nopox.. It will control both n03 and p04 ( both of my tanks don't use gfo anymore) but it takes a while till you can pull gfo( or other media) off line. So take that into consideration and make sure not to bottom out your N03, it can happen fast carbon dosing causing an imbalance and lead to other issues like cyano, bleached corals etc..

Good luck and I hope it works out for you.

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A booster pump helped with my water problems. My well water would go down to 40 psi before pump kicked on. Rodi filters don't work right with low pressure. My color change filter would never change as it was used up know it does.
 
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