Another option for red bugs

[Rabidgoose]

I am seeing several variations on dosage. I believe there are several different kinds of Bayer being used though. I am dipping........

"Bayer Advanced Ready-to-Use Home Pest Plus Germ Killer" http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...eyword=Bayer+Advanced+Home+Pest&storeId=10051

5ml Bayer per 500ml of tank water for 10 minutes

Is this the correct dosage? My last batch of acros did bleach on me but I attributed it to bad placement after the dip (way to much light). They are all recovering but it did make me a little nervous.

thanks......chuck

 

[aoeBombcat]

I used this one. Both works.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_46147-24182...ntURL=/pl__0__s?Ntt=bayer+advanced&facetInfo=

Yes, too much light will bleach corals with or without the dip.

 

[Rabidgoose]

What is your dosage? To clarify....to much light for freshly dipped acros.

I used this one. Both works.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_46147-24182...ntURL=/pl__0__s?Ntt=bayer+advanced&facetInfo=

Yes, too much light will bleach corals with or without the dip.

 

[aoeBombcat]

It's 8ml in 12 cups of tank water for 12 minutes. It's stated in my earlier post on page 16.

No I mean, if you get new corals, you can bleach the coral if you give too much light.

 

[Dustin1300]

Updated Spreadsheet

Updated Spreadsheet

As promised, I've updated the Google Spreadsheet to reflect dosage used as well as some of the things I noted on a couple of them with ~ok polyp extension after the dip. I did 10mL Insecticide/1 Liter of Saltwater for a 10 minute period. On the sheet zigzag (Steve) also posted his results from testing this method out after the swap Saturday.

So far, I've had success with the 8 frags I tested before putting into frag QT. Before I move them all over to frag tank in 4-5 weeks I may give them ALL a bayer dipping.

@aoeBombcat, feel free to fill in the sheet with your regimen and coral your sure were ok. If they went south and your not sure it was due to dip, it'd prolly be better to keep out of sample (sorry for your losses).

2 hours after dipping:

 

[aoeBombcat]

its ok, those that I lost were free from my LPS and broken off from the frag. My original frag is still alive. All still kicking.

 

[Dustin1300]

Thanks for adding them. If the list ends up growing quite large I'll organize them into LPS, SPS, softies, etc...This seems to be a good start to a list so everyone can use it as a reference for what others have used and is working as expected with the coral they're considering dipping. If it's a new one, don't be afraid either

 

[aoeBombcat]

the thing is I dont know what I dipped! I think I uploaded over 31 photos, but I only know less then 10 of the names, otherwise the list will be bigger.

 

[Qwiv]

You are all trards. I said it is a dishonest representation, not that you are being dishonest. Your thread here is looking at the validity of a red bug treatment and the data presented should be unbiased. Some newbie reefer could see your photos and interpret them incorrectly.

Should your photos be adjusted to show the actual condition: yes. You can see in the meta data you already ran the photos through significant post-processing and that the colors have already been adjusted.

 

[aoeBombcat]

Qwiv, if you are so into unbiase data, why dont you contribute to this thread and show us some of your unbiase photos?? Instead of attacking others who is trying to contribute.

Yes the photo has been post processed but the color is what it is, if you read my previous replies, one is taken during the day and one is taken duing the night, so the color is as actual as you are seeing, the post processing is to sharpen the photo, cropping the photo to only focus on the coral.

If you are not going to contribute then case close.

 

[Whisperer]

You are all trards. I said it is a dishonest representation, not that you are being dishonest. Your thread here is looking at the validity of a red bug treatment and the data presented should be unbiased. Some newbie reefer could see your photos and interpret them incorrectly.

Should your photos be adjusted to show the actual condition: yes. You can see in the meta data you already ran the photos through significant post-processing and that the colors have already been adjusted.

Take it easy, there is substantial testimonies to prove the product is safe and effective. Dishonesty is not even an issue when it comes to the effectiveness and safety of the product. The photo made no claim about color improvement after the dip but it clearly showed disappearance of the red bugs after the dip and that was the message I got from it having used the product first hand. So, the difference in color did not bother me (unless he claimed so).

Also, please no name calling in my thread. I do not want this thread closed because of that. Many people have benefitted from this. I encourage you to try it if you have red bugs or AEFW, it will make a believer out of you.

 

[bigbuckdown]

just to clarify i read through this quickly and might have missed it. i see it kills AEFW but whats the census on there eggs?

 

[Whisperer]

I have not made any studies on AEFW egg susceptibility to this treatment. I would love to do that. If I find a cluster of eggs, I definitely will. The trick is to remove the coral from the dipping solution and placed on a QT tank or something (placing back in the DT is not a good idea since it is difficult to monitor hatching and likelihood of spread in case of failure or egg hatching). However, I do predict that the eggs will be resistant to this treatment because the common characteristic of egg casings across all the species is that they have a highly selective permeability and they can very well be protected by a protective mucus as seen in some egg clusters. That is my hunch but a well designed trial will be very interesting to test my theory.

 

[msp307]

Love this stuff it's my dip of choice

 

[Dustin1300]

just to clarify i read through this quickly and might have missed it. i see it kills AEFW but whats the census on there eggs?

I'd have to agree with whisperer on this. I'd just make sure and QT the frags for 5 weeks with weekly dippings if at all possible. I'm using quite the QT regimen for my tank but I'm also building a 600 gallon DT so I don't want things to go awry.

5 Week QT Procedure:
- Dip in Bayer mixture, rinse with SW, place in QT
- After everything has opened up and seems to be healthy I'll treat Frag QT as a whole with Flatworm Exit
- Week 2 - Revive Dip
- Week 3 - Iodine Dip
- Week 4 - Another Revive Dip
- Week 5 - Before transferring to frag tank I'll do a last dip of Bayer and SW rinse before adding to frag tank

 

[Qwiv]

just to clarify i read through this quickly and might have missed it. i see it kills AEFW but whats the census on there eggs?

Local research here has shown that AEFW were not effected after the duration recommended.

 

[Dustin1300]

Local research here has shown that AEFW were not effected after the duration recommended.

If that's the case then provide the specifics and what concentration was used as well as dip time. Not stating the facts and just saying it does not work is a bit misleading...

 

[gmoney243]

so what is everyone using still? ive read the thread and exact product and dosage is still kinda shakey. which is better the Bayer Advanced with germ killer or the bayer advanced complete insect killer. also the germ kill seems to be recomended .5ml per2cups? and complete seems to be 8ml/12 cups? someone earlier said also 10ml per 1/2cup for complete. im trying to kill redbugs and just wanna make sure i get the right stuff and dosage thx.

 

[aoeBombcat]

so what is everyone using still? ive read the thread and exact product and dosage is still kinda shakey. which is better the Bayer Advanced with germ killer or the bayer advanced complete insect killer. also the germ kill seems to be recomended .5ml per2cups? and complete seems to be 8ml/12 cups? someone earlier said also 10ml per 1/2cup for complete. im trying to kill redbugs and just wanna make sure i get the right stuff and dosage thx.

Gmoney,

The 8ml / 12 cups is what worked for me killing off the redbugs on my coral. That is what worked for me. I pick that amount because I can not find an agreed amount. So I picked the middle. The original dosage was posed on page 1, I think.

 

[aoeBombcat]

I'd have to agree with whisperer on this. I'd just make sure and QT the frags for 5 weeks with weekly dippings if at all possible. I'm using quite the QT regimen for my tank but I'm also building a 600 gallon DT so I don't want things to go awry.

5 Week QT Procedure:
- Dip in Bayer mixture, rinse with SW, place in QT
- After everything has opened up and seems to be healthy I'll treat Frag QT as a whole with Flatworm Exit
- Week 2 - Revive Dip
- Week 3 - Iodine Dip
- Week 4 - Another Revive Dip
- Week 5 - Before transferring to frag tank I'll do a last dip of Bayer and SW rinse before adding to frag tank

Wow Dustin!! Going the extreme dipping!! Make sure no parasite lives!!

I would love to buy frags from you!!!