Another option for red bugs

I have followed the directions from a previous post which recommended 10ml per 1/2 cup of tank water for 5 minutes. I haven't seen flat worms or red bug on any of my corals since I began this protocol. I don't think that 10 ml per liter is going to do it for you. Every coral I have dipped from Red Dragon SPS to some cheap zoas have done just fine - I haven't lost one coral due to the dip.

I will also add that before I place the corals in my display tank, that I take a frag off of the frag (usually 1/4 to 1/2 inch piece), then I inspect it very closely under a CFL with a magnifying glass. This is about as thorough as you get. I start with a specimen that already appears to be pest free. Cutting just the tip of a frag will help eliminate any chance of AEFW eggs being attached to the coral, and then inspecting them from head to toe to quadruple ensure they are pest free.
 
naterealbig said:
I have followed the directions from a previous post which recommended 10ml per 1/2 cup of tank water for 5 minutes. I haven't seen flat worms or red bug on any of my corals since I began this protocol. I don't think that 10 ml per liter is going to do it for you. Every coral I have dipped from Red Dragon SPS to some cheap zoas have done just fine - I haven't lost one coral due to the dip.
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If your putting 10mL per 1/2 a cup that equates to:

4.22675284 cups to 1 liter
4.22675284 X 20 = 84.53 mL Bayer/1 L of Saltwater

That's definately a higher concentrate than I used! I just think we need to figure out the proper concentrate, then this can be a much more effective treatment. Do you mind posting your results to the spreadsheet? Long term, it'd be nice if we can determine a proper dosage for LPS, SPS, Zoas, and Softies based on the cumulative sample of dippings we get.

Google Spreadsheet
 
naterealbig said:
I have followed the directions from a previous post which recommended 10ml per 1/2 cup of tank water for 5 minutes. I haven't seen flat worms or red bug on any of my corals since I began this protocol. I don't think that 10 ml per liter is going to do it for you. Every coral I have dipped from Red Dragon SPS to some cheap zoas have done just fine - I haven't lost one coral due to the dip.

I will also add that before I place the corals in my display tank, that I take a frag off of the frag (usually 1/4 to 1/2 inch piece), then I inspect it very closely under a CFL with a magnifying glass. This is about as thorough as you get. I start with a specimen that already appears to be pest free. Cutting just the tip of a frag will help eliminate any chance of AEFW eggs being attached to the coral, and then inspecting them from head to toe to quadruple ensure they are pest free.
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What exact bottle did you use? There's home pest with germ, home complete 32oz, home complete concentrate 40oz bottle.

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Well Whisperer I just tried this dip. 4 mls of the bayer to 4 cups of tank water for 10 min. We will see that happens.
There wasnt any signs of aefw or red bugs in the bucket except for one flat worm which I dont know if he was in there from an old dip and I just didnt clean the bucket good enought but I did dip 6 out of my 12 frags in the tank which showed some kind of white spots or turning white in some spots and some on the base. Im not going to glue them back until I know they are good and have no problems.... Thanks for your help. And everyone else on here.
 
Recently found AEFW in my tank. After consideration decided to give this a try along with adding a few more wrasses. Well I'm happy to say that this method worked GREAT! Last week I used REVIVE and FW Exit to knock off the FWs (didn't fully kill em.) Worked fairly well. Today I used 45ml of the Concentrate in 2 gallons of water ( I know, kinda of weak on dosage) Dipped colonies and frags and found more FW's than last week in the bucket. They were convulsing and dying.:dance: Everything dipped looked far better than it did last week. PE was back after 30min back in the tank. I will use a higher dosage next time (5 days from today). I have no DSLR so couldnt take pics. Will use the point and shoot next time to document the progress. Thanks for taking the risk and sharing this process!!!!!
 
That's not such a low dosage. Converting everything to metric it came out to ~5.95 mL of Bayer to 1 L of SW. If you don't mind documenting your dipping next time, it'd be greatly appreciated:)

Hope it continues to work for you!

Google Spreadsheet
 
Well I had to dip the rest of my frags cause (my friends call if OCD that I have) I have this green banana looking tubinora (dont know if Im spelling it right) I saw a couple of flatworms on it so I said in the dip the rest of them go.. Well I had more then I thought come off the green banana's. After I put it back in the tank in hasnt looked so green in a long time...

Now the question is how often and for how long should I keep dipping all my frags and coral in this stuff to get rid of these things?
 
I've dipped 2 Acro frags so far, I did 1ML per 1 Cup of water, so far everything is good and no signs of redbugs.
 
After reading through this thread and chatting with folks, I dipped corals from the DT and used Bayer Advanced Complete Concentrate at 10ml/1L soaking for 15 minutes.

After some slight agitation, they went through a 3-rinse dip before be placed in the frag tank. Corals looked good minutes/hour(s) after being placed in the frag tank.

All the corals that were dipped
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Minutes after being placed in frag tank
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Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread and replied to my PMs.
 
Did another dozen or so frags in addition to the ones I dipped before. This time I upped the dosage to 20mL of concentrated Bayer to 1L of saltwater before moving the frags to my main system. I'll post all the corals and results in the next couple days once I've verified all frags are happy:thumbsup:
 
Hi all, noticed AEFW in my tank a couple days ago and have been looking up for treatments until i stumbled upon this! Sounds amazing but I live in london and cannot find this bayer complete anywhere..googling didnt work and couldnt find anything with imidacloprid or beta-cyftluthrin so I resorted to the expensive route of buying from USA and paying a healthy 50$ shipping: so, first point really is: if someone in europe reading this has had found an alternative product (or the same product on sale somewhere) it would be great to hear about it! :)
Second, Whisperer -thanks for your contribution first of all! - I am reading from later posts that the one you used is the one with the germ killer? I have bought the other one so now in doubt as to who has used what? I presume you and mike used the germ killer? As far as I remember reading the common active ingredient is the beta-cyfluthrin and the "non-germ"version has imidacloprid which should bind to the coral tissue and render it less appealing to the bugs.
I am pretty sure it might be the imidacloprid that makes this product hard to find here in Europe (causes bee deaths as reported) but is there any added value to this? or could it be that this actually does more harm than good by lingering in the water column in tank when the coral is returned? Can all those who have had issues with deaths in tank report which one of the two they have used? Thanks everyone! :)
 
I have been using the dip for over a year now and still believe it is very safe for corals. I do not recommend in-tank treatment because I have not done trial with vertebrates (I am not planning to do so). People have rinsed their corals in fresh tankwater before placing back in the DT. So far, we have been having good results with this dip. I personally do not rinse after dip and the vertebrates (fish) do not seem to care, crabs in the tank are also unaffected.
I use the one with active ingredient, sodium-O-phenylphenate and B-cyfluthrin ( the one with the germ killer formula). Reports that the other Bayer is also effective. As for bees, I am not too sure if this product has something to do with their decline, I recall that a certain fungus is the prime suspect. Nevertheless, we must be cautious in disposal of this product. I personally dilute the dip with lots of freshwater before discarding in the sewer where it if further diluted (I tend to think that other human waste is more concern, but that just me).
I am not sure if you have similar product in Europe. Send me plane ticket and I will bring some to you. :D
Oh, ur welcome.
 
Whisperer how often and for how long did you dip the same coral or frags in the bayer dip before you stoped and just let them be in your DT? Cause Im going deep waters and I dipped them once and then 3 days later I dipped them again and I think that stressed them out really good and a couple have become pretty white rocks know. But Im leaving them in the DT and hoping they come back. LOL
 
FFalas, feel free to reference the spreadsheet to see which ones have been verified. I've got another dozen or so to add to this list and trying to get everyone here to outline what's taken place so a regimen can be determined rather than everyone using different dip times/concentrations and just saying that this coral did good/bad but not providing details:(

Google Spreadsheet
 
Yea well Im guessing that second dip 3 days later might have did me in with a few of the frags... OK so now I know to only dip them once and then let them be in the DT... I did 4 mls of bayer to 4 cups of tank water for 10 min. It seemed to work good the first time and everything didnt look bad. After the second dip I started to get whiting out of the corals.
 
Dustin1300 said:
FFalas, feel free to reference the spreadsheet to see which ones have been verified. I've got another dozen or so to add to this list and trying to get everyone here to outline what's taken place so a regimen can be determined rather than everyone using different dip times/concentrations and just saying that this coral did good/bad but not providing details:(

Google Spreadsheet
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Dustin I wish I knew the names of the frags that I have dipped. But I do know I did 4 mls of bayer to 4 cups of tank water. So frags did better then others. I pick frags from the way they look and there colors not there names. Half the time the names are wrong anyway.
But it is a good idea to log anything we can. I could post pictures of all the frags I dipped and the ones that made it and didnt make it. Thats the only way I can do it and may be someone can identified the frags.

Thanks for you help and efforts.
 
Whisperer said:
OMG! That's not the right one!!! J/K. That is fine. I used the one with "germ killer."
I suggest longer duration of dip should be done and/or increase concetration of the dip to ensure killing of the pest. Just need to place powerhead to circulate water.
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Anyone have a link to this Bayer product with the germ killer? Is it the concentrate? Sorry if I missed it in one of the posts.
 
FFalas said:
Hi all, noticed AEFW in my tank a couple days ago and have been looking up for treatments until i stumbled upon this! Sounds amazing but I live in london and cannot find this bayer complete anywhere..googling didnt work and couldnt find anything with imidacloprid or beta-cyftluthrin so I resorted to the expensive route of buying from USA and paying a healthy 50$ shipping: so, first point really is: if someone in europe reading this has had found an alternative product (or the same product on sale somewhere) it would be great to hear about it! :)
Second, Whisperer -thanks for your contribution first of all! - I am reading from later posts that the one you used is the one with the germ killer? I have bought the other one so now in doubt as to who has used what? I presume you and mike used the germ killer? As far as I remember reading the common active ingredient is the beta-cyfluthrin and the "non-germ"version has imidacloprid which should bind to the coral tissue and render it less appealing to the bugs.
I am pretty sure it might be the imidacloprid that makes this product hard to find here in Europe (causes bee deaths as reported) but is there any added value to this? or could it be that this actually does more harm than good by lingering in the water column in tank when the coral is returned? Can all those who have had issues with deaths in tank report which one of the two they have used? Thanks everyone! :)
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Hi there Ffalas,

I think minimum number is 4 as this all I could find for you tonight :fun4:

http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/2032-rtu-products-applicators/34405.html

Tahir
 
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