Anybody know what these are??

[CoralNutz]

IMO they aren't PHE or PPE's... too big to be PHE's and not the same colors as PPE's... On one hand it is kind of disappointing to see that he named them PPE's obviously to get more money for them, but on the other hand at least he did say they were WC. IMO I think they are nicer than PPE's.

It's things like this that give me mixed feelings about the zoanthid naming thing. When it's just for fun I think that's great. But when someone calls some zoas something are not it's kind of just makes the naming thing ridiculous all together.

IMO if the PPE's didn't come from Blane, the original namer, they aren't PPE's... Could be a hundred different morphs in the ocean that look very similar but if they didn't come from that original colony, then they aren't the same...

Anyway enough of my babbling, whatever they are called they are SWEET Zoas though

 

[organism]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7486773#post7486773 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CoralNutz
On one hand it is kind of disappointing to see that he named them PPE's obviously to get more money for them, but on the other hand at least he did say they were WC. IMO I think they are nicer than PPE's.

well, honestly they were going to be called "identical to ppe's but without the green mouth and nicer colors," but it just didn't fit up there, so wild caught ppe's seemed fine enough... It does, however, say something quite similar to that in the description. I don't want to argue the point too much, but they weren't called ppe for more money, they're just called that for the striking color similarities, they'd cost the same even if they were "those nice purple ones". it's difficult to see sometimes that vendors don't have it easy with the walking on eggshells things due to names, why every zoo can't just be called "this nice zoo" or "that nice zoo" is beyond me, but I guess that's an argument for a different day
also, if there were zoos that were from the ocean, and looked identical to blane's ppe's, down to the last detail, not that I'm referring to these specific ones, I'd think it would be unfair to say "those aren't ppe's because you weren't dumb enough to pay joe schmoe 8 billion dollars for them," but again, that's just my opinion

I totally agree with you on the coral naming thing though CoralNutz, if it's nice, then why bother

 

[surfnvb7]

basic fact of the matter, all zoa heads have agreed informally that in order to qualify as a "people eater", its GOTA have the green slit mouth. without the green slit mouth, its not a people eater, wild or aquacultured. 'nough said.

btw...did i miss something? who called the ones at the top PPE's? and where did you guys see it was being sold as such? i got a little lost on the last few posts...

 

[CoralNutz]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7487021#post7487021 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by surfnvb7
basic fact of the matter, all zoa heads have agreed informally that in order to qualify as a "people eater", its GOTA have the green slit mouth. without the green slit mouth, its not a people eater, wild or aquacultured. 'nough said.

btw...did i miss something? who called the ones at the top PPE's? and where did you guys see it was being sold as such? i got a little lost on the last few posts...

That's what they were called at fraglereef....

 

[surfnvb7]

edit: ohh yeah, i remember seeing those on there before, i remember reading the description and didnt think much of it b/c its becoming so common to call something PPE just to get the search hits off google, or ebay.

IMO, "PPE" was used to catch people's eyes, kinda sucks they used it though, people arent blind and can see its a spectacular looking frag without the name.

but i'm sure someone who buys them, will grow them out, frag them, and sell them on ebay or whatever and call them "PPE", NOT "WC PPE" like fraggle reef did.

this kinda practice will just perpetuate the cycle, b/c people dont know any better, and dont know of zoaid or of this zoa forum on RC. so yeah....thats the conundrum with naming, been there..done that subject here on this forum.

but then again, there is no copyright on naming, any store can name whatever they want. and its in their best interest to make more money that way. i'm sure it could be looked at as deceiving, b/c again, i'm SURE someone will buy a frag, grow them out, and sell them as the "true PPE", not "WC PPE".

 

[surfnvb7]

wow, i could have SWORN that what fraglereef had listed as "neon zombie eye" was something like "red martians" the other day. :lol:

 

[organism]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7487064#post7487064 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by surfnvb7
edit: ohh yeah, i remember seeing those on there before, i remember reading the description and didnt think much of it b/c its becoming so common to call something PPE just to get the search hits off google, or ebay.

IMO, "PPE" was used to catch people's eyes, kinda sucks they used it though, people arent blind and can see its a spectacular looking frag without the name.

but i'm sure someone who buys them, will grow them out, frag them, and sell them on ebay or whatever and call them "PPE", NOT "WC PPE" like fraggle reef did.

this kinda practice will just perpetuate the cycle, b/c people dont know any better, and dont know of zoaid or of this zoa forum on RC. so yeah....thats the conundrum with naming, been there..done that subject here on this forum.

but then again, there is no copyright on naming, any store can name whatever they want. and its in their best interest to make more money that way. i'm sure it could be looked at as deceiving, b/c again, i'm SURE someone will buy a frag, grow them out, and sell them as the "true PPE", not "WC PPE".

ok, out of curiosity, does the new title work? because all of this arguing semantics is just... draining... :mixed:

 

[cb9tunerguy]

i dont care what they are called..........they are gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[organism]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7487109#post7487109 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by surfnvb7
wow, i could have SWORN that what fraglereef had listed as "neon zombie eye" was something like "red martians" the other day. :lol:

very true, until someone at zoaid let us know that they were called "zombie eye zoos"
once again, I have to mention the "vendors walking on eggshells" scenario...

 

[CoralNutz]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7486968#post7486968 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by organism
also, if there were zoos that were from the ocean, and looked identical to blane's ppe's, down to the last detail, not that I'm referring to these specific ones, I'd think it would be unfair to say "those aren't ppe's because you weren't dumb enough to pay joe schmoe 8 billion dollars for them," but again, that's just my opinion

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one

To me it's no different than any of the named corals... If I was going to buy the Larry Jackson Purple Monster... I would want to know that it came from that original colony.. Sure there are tons of acros that look identical to it... But they didn't come from that colony. Same goes for Tub's Blues, or any of the Tyree LE's out there. That's the reason I think there are WAY too many named zoas out there. Not every zoa needs a name IMO. But then again, who gets to pic which ones deserve a title... uggg it's just not a win win no matter what, lol. (note to beginners, don't get into buying corals for the names, it hurts the wallet and there are many many similar corals of equal beauty for much much less :lol: )

I guess that's the reason that I have mixed thougts on the named coral thing.. if the naming is just for fun or whatnot, it's great. But when it gets into a sales thing it just clouds it all. Really people can call their corals whatever they want, it's up to the buyer to know what he is or isn't getting. And that's another reason I think people shouldn't buy corals for the names unless they know exactly what they are looking for. For me it's kind of like baseball cards. I'm really impulsive and want things I can't get sometimes. I went in on a two polyp frag of PPE on ebay... My half came to $90 with shipping for ONE polyp and it died.

I wouldn't say I'm dumb for spending that kind of money on a zoa. I knew what I was doing and the risk of getting just one polyp. To put things in perspective, if you asked sane people ALL coral collectors are "dumb". We pay hundreds, if not thousands for equipment and livestock so we can have these silly boxes of water to stare at. I know all the people I know that aren't into reefkeeping think I am a idiot. Especially when I get talk about being exited about a new protien skimmer or something.


Anyway... hope I didn't leave the impression that I thought you were shady or something... that's certainly not how I feel and I commend you on pointing out that they were WC and that they "looked" like PPE's in the description for them. I know some vendors out there would have tried to pass them off as something else and tried to get bigger $$$ for them. Like surf pointed out though, the I doubt the people that buy these will pass them on as "WC PPE's" instead of "PPE's" and then someone will tell them those aren't real and it will be more drama like TNT... :lol: Than being said, I think your are a mighty fine coral dealer and EVERYTHING i've gotten from you has been excellent... :thumbsup:

 

[surfnvb7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7487145#post7487145 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by organism
very true, until someone at zoaid let us know that they were called "zombie eye zoos"
once again, I have to mention the "vendors walking on eggshells" scenario...

oh, well, i dont care that you changed it, it just makes me confused as to whether i saw those "martians" on your site, or another site. btw, i was *just* informed who you were.

not gonna retract anything i said though, but not attacking you either, nor trying to offend you. but i guess this might be a lesson learned that you may offend collectors on the naming issue, since it seems to be kinda a big deal to some people on these forums. (not me really)

me personally, the only naming i go by is people eaters have a green mouth, and i was trying to push the orange slit mouth as mutant eaters. :lol: otherwise, i dont really go by the names.

i'm gonna head out of this forum, something is telling me its gonna get stinky in here pretty soon :mixed:

btw...just to make things more daunting, i have zombie eyes, and they do not have orange slit mouths like yours do. i thought your red martians had a good name, and are unique, and are NOT zombie eyes. JMO though

 

[organism]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7487163#post7487163 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CoralNutz
To put things in perspective, if you asked sane people ALL coral collectors are "dumb". We pay hundreds, if not thousands for equipment and livestock so we can have these silly boxes of water to stare at.

gasp! don't let my girl read that one, she'll be "I told you so-ing" me all week

Anyway... hope I didn't leave the impression that I thought you were shady or something... that's certainly not how I feel and I commend you on pointing out that they were WC and that they "looked" like PPE's in the description for them. I know some vendors out there would have tried to pass them off as something else and tried to get bigger $$$ for them. Like surf pointed out though, the I doubt the people that buy these will pass them on as "WC PPE's" instead of "PPE's" and then someone will tell them those aren't real and it will be more drama like TNT... :lol: Than being said, I think your are a mighty fine coral dealer and EVERYTHING i've gotten from you has been excellent... :thumbsup:

certainly no offense taken, I'm a reefer first and a sponsor second, which makes it a difficult fence to ride sometimes
also, the thought of naming them before they went online almost crossed my mind last week, but I didn't think anyone would carry the "Those Nice Purple Ones" name

 

[MinibowMatt]

who really gives a freak what they are called. they are super sweet, and not a bad price.. If I could afford them right now, I would have them in my tank regardless of what anyone on the internet calls them.

Miguel- You know where I stand.... Keep up the good work!

 

[surfnvb7]

looks like someone has already gotten them confused with the real PPE's.

**took link off**