Anyone have a DIY surge that doesn't fill the tank with bubbles?

I use large flow pumps to feed by surge chamber, and I can change the number of valves and how open those valves are also.

So, I can change the flow significantly as well. The only real constraint is the display tank overflow being overwhelmed, or the sump being overwhelmed. The size of the surge tank is technically a constraint also, but with 100gal reservoir, the other constraints are more significant.

The difference between a pump feeding a surge chamber and the pump directly feeding the display tank is volume flow x time.

For example, I use a jebao 15000 at ~4000gph ~ 1.1gps (gallon per second).

I can turn that on to full flow for 30 seconds and achieve a flow of 33 gallons in that period. Sounds great! I can run it for 15 seconds and achieve 17 gallons in that window.

Or I can fill up the surge tank and open up the valve to release 40 gallons in 15 seconds. So, with the same pump, I can change the flow from 17 gallons in 15 seconds to 40 gallons in 15 seconds.

It's converting steady flow rate to a burst flow. The overall average flow rate is the same.

As far as force. The high pressure, high flow from a pump outlet isn't the same as low pressure, high flow from a surge. Personally, I'm converting the surge chamber into a refugium/surge source. That matters because pump impellers kill most life that would be cultivated in the refugium. That's a secondary effect, but it matters in my system.
 
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So, simply put... a switched pump system vs. surge system would run in time like this:

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I actually also control the on-time of the surge feed pump, so I can delay the period between surges also.

So both work, but an actuated surge will create more burst flow by design. I have an 8ft tank that's 32" wide and 27" deep. To have an effective surge, I need more burst flow.

In terms of complexity, I used my Apex with a couple of sensors and a relay board to turn the actuators ($50) on and off. If you have an Apex, you' already have most of the $$ spent to do this.
 
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Wow that's a lot of good info everyone. I am slowly building my new system and I am still in the planning as far as plumbing and equipment. I am limited on space and funds so I will have to choose wisely. I would really like to do a surge tank above the display but I may be too limited on space since I will have 2 180g tanks and a 120g tank plus sumps, frag tank and QT.
Thanks again everyone and if anyone has more info feel free to share
 
My 180 will be 4 feet off the ground, so you add in the 2 feet for the tank, so that leaves about 2 feet until the ceiling. Directly above the tank will be the lights so that takes away that space. To the left is a wall and the space for the door to swing in and the wall on the right will have the 120g tank that will be divided for breeding which will have its bottom at 6 feet so I can have the rest of the breeding system set up under the 120g. So space is very scarce just about every where in my fish room
 
In books I have seen old school balance a bucket on edge of tank and let it slowly fill with water from tank, at a certain point it tips and dumps all water in tank and returns to fill position and repeats...

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The actuators work on a 12V 1A source that is switched one way (+12) to open and then reversed (-12) to close

I use Apex and a standard relay board to open and close. There's a couple of implementations that can be used.

Here's the latest version of the actuator

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2529953&highlight=actuated&page=2

And here's a link of the original (clunkier) when I took it apart for maintenance

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2509674&highlight=actuated
 
I can't find a thread with the circuit and Apex code but it's somewhere on RC

I have a new one anyway- maybe I'll start a new thread
 
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