Apex controlling garage door

ReefHoboBum

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Anyone know if there a way I can wire my garage door button in my garage to the Apex controller to allow me to open and close the garage door remotely using the Apex?

I've considered using the GogoGate2, but their device only allows garage fully open and fully close. I cannot open only partially as if I was operating the wired garage door button.

I'm I would like to do this due to heat and humidity issues for my tanks in the garage. Any ideas appreciated!

Thanks.
 
You'd need a relay plugged into an outlet on your eb that would toggle the circuit going to the button you use to open/close the door.
 
Anyone know if there a way I can wire my garage door button in my garage to the Apex controller to allow me to open and close the garage door remotely using the Apex?

I've considered using the GogoGate2, but their device only allows garage fully open and fully close. I cannot open only partially as if I was operating the wired garage door button.

I'm I would like to do this due to heat and humidity issues for my tanks in the garage. Any ideas appreciated!

Thanks.

Perhaps you should consider a home automation solutions like Vera Edge or one of the many other choices. I run a Vera Edge and it was about the best $150 I have spent on a HA controller ever and I've been doing the HA thing for about 10 years now. You could control your garage door from anywhere and have it open automatically based on heat & humidity. You will also know if it's open or closed which would be difficult with the Apex since there isn't a tilt sensor for the Apex. You could control the lights in your house, your door locks, you AC, sprinklers and much more more. I love my Apex but I also love my home automation. FWIW home automation solutions are much better at what they do just like the Apex is better for aquarium managment. Just my two cents as I have a small fortune invested in both.
 
It's definitely possible to do and like the pp said, it's pretty common to do with home automation systems. Also, as he said, one of the difficulties is knowing the current state of the garage door, but that's still possible to do with the apex with something like this...

http://www.amazon.com/Potter-Amseco...sbs_421_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1G4ARANR858PJMS8GK4K

You'd connect that that to one of the apex's input's and it would then be able to tell if the door is closed or not closed. It still won't be able to detect whether the door is fully open or partially open, but at least you'll be able to tell if the door is closed and your house is secure. You'll also be able to use this to prevent the apex from attempting to open the door when it was already open and closing it instead.

The sensor is also important to prevent the system from continually triggering the door if something is blocking it or something is not working properly. If the door is closed and the apex triggers it then it should be able to tell that it opens based on that sensor. If it doesn't open then it knows that something is wrong and shouldn't attempt to trigger it again. Likewise, if it attempts to close the door, but it never gets the signal from the sensor that the door is closed then you don't want it to try to trigger it again because there may be something under the door that it's hitting.

Additionally, if you do attempt to use the apex to also close the garage door you need to consider whether it might accidentally close it at an inopportune time... such as when you're backing your car out or when someone is standing under the door. The sensor beam should prevent the door from shutting on a person or a car, but it still could be inconvenient if the door attempts to close while someone wants it open.

Finally, it's worth noting that I believe that code in most places calls for an audio and visual alarm for at least a few seconds before the door is automatically opened or closed, so you may want to consider whether you want to work something like that in. I have a z-wave garage door controller on my home automation system and whenever it is triggered it flashes a light and beeps for a few seconds before the door moves. Something like that won't work with the apex, but you could still try to work out another alarm if you wanted to (although before I got my current z-wave controller I had the door connected to my home automation system with just a contact closure trigger and no alarm of any type)
 
I would not even consider having anything operate my garage door opener without direct action by me or a family member. This would be, IMO, a Ready Bad Thing from the security perspective.

Instead, I would install ventilation fan(s). Either an exhaust fan, or an intake and an exhaust fan.
 
You'd need a relay plugged into an outlet on your eb that would toggle the circuit going to the button you use to open/close the door.

Could you give me a little more details about what kind of relay and how exactly to wire it to the eb? Thanks
 
Perhaps you should consider a home automation solutions like Vera Edge or one of the many other choices. I run a Vera Edge and it was about the best $150 I have spent on a HA controller ever and I've been doing the HA thing for about 10 years now. You could control your garage door from anywhere and have it open automatically based on heat & humidity. You will also know if it's open or closed which would be difficult with the Apex since there isn't a tilt sensor for the Apex. You could control the lights in your house, your door locks, you AC, sprinklers and much more more. I love my Apex but I also love my home automation. FWIW home automation solutions are much better at what they do just like the Apex is better for aquarium managment. Just my two cents as I have a small fortune invested in both.

I think that is a good idea. However I'm trying to keep things simple, although I like the idea of a HA, I'm not sure I want to get into managing and hooking up another system. But if I have to then I will.

I am a little confused about the Vera Edge, is it a controller and I'd have to get another component to control the garage?
 
It's definitely possible to do and like the pp said, it's pretty common to do with home automation systems. Also, as he said, one of the difficulties is knowing the current state of the garage door, but that's still possible to do with the apex with something like this...

http://www.amazon.com/Potter-Amseco...sbs_421_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1G4ARANR858PJMS8GK4K

You'd connect that that to one of the apex's input's and it would then be able to tell if the door is closed or not closed. It still won't be able to detect whether the door is fully open or partially open, but at least you'll be able to tell if the door is closed and your house is secure. You'll also be able to use this to prevent the apex from attempting to open the door when it was already open and closing it instead.

The sensor is also important to prevent the system from continually triggering the door if something is blocking it or something is not working properly. If the door is closed and the apex triggers it then it should be able to tell that it opens based on that sensor. If it doesn't open then it knows that something is wrong and shouldn't attempt to trigger it again. Likewise, if it attempts to close the door, but it never gets the signal from the sensor that the door is closed then you don't want it to try to trigger it again because there may be something under the door that it's hitting.

Additionally, if you do attempt to use the apex to also close the garage door you need to consider whether it might accidentally close it at an inopportune time... such as when you're backing your car out or when someone is standing under the door. The sensor beam should prevent the door from shutting on a person or a car, but it still could be inconvenient if the door attempts to close while someone wants it open.

Finally, it's worth noting that I believe that code in most places calls for an audio and visual alarm for at least a few seconds before the door is automatically opened or closed, so you may want to consider whether you want to work something like that in. I have a z-wave garage door controller on my home automation system and whenever it is triggered it flashes a light and beeps for a few seconds before the door moves. Something like that won't work with the apex, but you could still try to work out another alarm if you wanted to (although before I got my current z-wave controller I had the door connected to my home automation system with just a contact closure trigger and no alarm of any type)

I think everyone's concern is valid about the state of the garage. I have a internet camera so I can see if the door is open or closed. It's no different than if I'm home. I just need to remotely push the garage door button.

I'm a little confused about the beeping when the door is moving. Why would I need the beeping? If I'm standing in my garage, I wouldn't need it to beep when it's opening or closing, why would I need it if I'm not physically there? It doesn't seem to serve any purpose. Unless I'm missing something?
 
I would not even consider having anything operate my garage door opener without direct action by me or a family member. This would be, IMO, a Ready Bad Thing from the security perspective.

Instead, I would install ventilation fan(s). Either an exhaust fan, or an intake and an exhaust fan.

I do agree with you. I already installed a ventilation fan. It may not be big enough because it doesn't seem to cool the garage fast enough. I do know that as soon as the garage door is cracked open a little everything cools down immediately. I'm just trying to avoid having to cut into the wall or the ceiling to install a fan which operates on electricity. I'm trying to conserve electricity as it is.

Anyway, this is not a discussion about how secure this is. It's about how to accomplish the task. But I appreciate your input.
 
Could you give me a little more details about what kind of relay and how exactly to wire it to the eb? Thanks

Just a simple 110vac relay spst. Two wires from the contacts wired in parallel to the wires on the garage door button. The outlet would be programmed to turn on for 1 or two secs then off. Now that I think about it, not sure how you would do that. I believe the minimum amount of time an outlet can be switched on/off is one minute. If so, you'd need a momentary relay (toggles on/off when power applied).

As for the safety/security concerns I agree with the other posters, but I assumed you were aware of that and just looking for ideas on how to accomplish the task.
 
Apex controlling garage door

I think everyone's concern is valid about the state of the garage. I have a internet camera so I can see if the door is open or closed. It's no different than if I'm home. I just need to remotely push the garage door button.

If you plan on just manually triggering the garage door remotely through the apex then letting the apex know the state of the door is probably less of an issue. I was assuming that you planned to let the apex trigger the door automatically when temperatures went up.

I'm a little confused about the beeping when the door is moving. Why would I need the beeping? If I'm standing in my garage, I wouldn't need it to beep when it's opening or closing, why would I need it if I'm not physically there? It doesn't seem to serve any purpose. Unless I'm missing something?


I think the point is that if you manually trigger the door when you're in the garage then you would look around first and make sure that no one is standing under the door or will get hit by it or anything. If it's triggered remotely by you or an automated system then you or someone else might be in the garage and in the way of the door. Beeping and flashing before the door actually starts moving gives anyone who is in there a little warning and gives them time to get out of the way.

I'm not suggesting that you need to put in some sort of an alarm or whatever... I had a system that operated without one for several years, but I am letting you know that it's probably a bit safer and likely required code so you can make an informed decision.
 
I think that is a good idea. However I'm trying to keep things simple, although I like the idea of a HA, I'm not sure I want to get into managing and hooking up another system. But if I have to then I will.

I am a little confused about the Vera Edge, is it a controller and I'd have to get another component to control the garage?

Vera Edge is a $149 HA hub that like most other home automation controllers functions like a network hub or sorts. You plug it in to power and either connect it directly to your home network with a network cable (my preferred method) or connect to your home network via ethernet. Your home network needs internet access for initial setup. The Vera Edge controls devices via a wireless protocol called Z-Wave. There are also other protocols that it supports but Z-Wave is the most common and most widely supported.

With a device like Vera Edge, you can control lights switches, garage door openers, door locks, motorized air conditioning vents, curtains etc. Z-Wave is also a bi-directional protocal and allows the controller to monitor the state of the Z-Wave device and report that info to you via the web interface or an app on your smart phone or tablet. So you know if your garage door is open or your front door is unlocked or if a light is on etc.

Setup of an HA solution (depending on what you choose) is REALLY easy. Basic control of the above devices is also simple. In the case of a garage door opener such as a Linear GDZ004 (what I use), you mount the GDZ near the opener motor or garage door opener button. Connect the two wire connection to the garage door switch connections at the button or the motor, add the tilt sensor to the garage door (it runs off a watch battery), plug the GDZ into a power outlet, push a button on the GDZ, set the controller (Vera Edge for example) into add device mode and the HA controller will find and add the device. Once it's added, you can then control it from the web interface or the App of your choice. And, like the Apex, you can control your devices from anywhere in the world provide you have internet access. Same goes with light switches. Simply remove the old switch, add a $35-$45 Z-Wave switch in it's place, push a button on the device and set the HA controller to learn mode and it will find and add the new switch. All Z-wave device are married to the HA network via the same method.This includes motion sensors, temp sensors, humidity sensors, locks, curtain and blind controllers, etc.

The learning curve with controllers like VeraEdge is very very simple. You can create scense that trigger multiple devices. I for example have 20+ lights on dimmable and non dimmable Z-Wave switches as well as garage door opener, front door lock, AC Vents for a poor mans zoned AC System, an ethernet based Thermost (Ecobee3) and more. All of which are controlled via my VeraEdge. I have a number of different scenes. One of which is Good Night. When I hit the Good Night button on my iPhone or iPad Apps, the lights shut off, the front door locks and a close command is sent to the garage door opener. I even have a Universal Remote App called Roomie Remote that controls my home theater as well as my bedroom AV system and Roomie also supports and devices that my Vera Controls including scenes. In Roomie, when I hit the Good Night button, my TV shuts off, my AV Receiver shuts off and my Vera Good Night Scene is activated shutting my lights off, locking the front door etc. I have another set of scense for my AC. Cool Heat Downstairs shuts my upstairs vent, opens the downstairs vents and turns the AC on to a preset temp. I have one for Cool Heat Upstairs and Cool Heat Up and Down. All of which is simple to program as the controller GUI walks you through the process. To accomplish what you are after for the garage, you would install the -Z-Wave garage door opener controller ($99) and a temp sensor ($35) and of course a controller such as Vera. There are other controllers that are cheaper such as Staples connect which can be acquired for free if you buy two or more -z-wave devices from staples that cost $35 or more but Vera is about the most flexible and supports the widest range of devices. I started with a Staples connect and immediately found it's short comings and bought the Vera. It was the best $150 I spent because the SC doesn't support many devices, you need to use specific switches for full functionality that cost more and staples connect support is pretty weak at best.

There is also a great forum for Vera.. It works so well that I got a cheap iPad and mounted it in a wall in my kitchen so I have central control over my lights, garage, door locks, AC etc. I even have apps to control my smoker and monitor my meat temps via another device that isn't controlled by Vera.

I will post some screen shots from some of my Apps.
 
I have 3 apps that I use for my HA.. First is Roomie Remote (for iOS) which is my universal remote for my home theater. It's pretty slick because I can hit the Dirctv, Blueray, Amazon, Youtube, Netflix, Panora or XM button and the TV will turn on, the receiver will turn on, the receiver will switch to the correct input etc. All from the push of a single button and when you hit that button, Roomie brings up what ever remote you chose or created to associated with that activity. For DTV, I use a standard looking directv remote, for Blueray, pandora, netflix, youtube, amazon and XM, I have a remote interface that controls my Sony BD Player which is what handles the above features. In my Vera remote, I can hit the Vera button and every switch or scene that I have linked in Roomie will be displated as a slider button, toggle button etc.

Roomie can control IR and RS232 controlled AV devices as well as most modern ones that feature ethernet control. This includes most smart TV's, current AV receivers, BD players etc.

These are a couple screen shots from Roomie. First the Directv screen. It has a nifty little TV Guide that can be expanded to full screen by swiping to the left or eliminate by swiping right. I also have some short cut buttons on the DTV screen that give me control of common Vera devices without having to switch to the Vera Screen. Roomie refers to those as activities.
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This is the Roomie screen for Vera.
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Most of my devices are iOS like our iPhones and iPads. For those devices, my got to app is Homewave. It is very simple to setup. You can create background images if you want or just start adding buttons and linking them to devices on your Vera Z-wave network.

This is the AC Control screen I created in Homewave for my AC Control. I tap a button and the scene is set or rotate a temp button and the temp is changed. The buttons on the left toggle the screens between this one (thermostat icon), a floor plan, a master light screen and a screen I created for some of my scense. Just touch the screen and the remote interface changes.

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I used a free program called Sweet Home 3D to create a floor plan for my house using my PC. I used the floor plan image as a background for this control screen. I then added light switch controls to the screen in the appropriate locations. All this was created on my iPad and works great on both the iPad and iPhone. It's a really intuitive way of controlling the home.
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This is my door lock screen.
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Another screen I have with more conventional buttons/dimmers for my lighting.
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There is another app that I use for voice control.. It's called VeraMate. It allows me to control via voice, any switch, outlet or scene that my Vera controls. I can use that feature from my iPhone, iPad or my iWatch. Open the app, hit the microphone button and speak the command.

Example, Turn Couch Light On To 30% and that will will turn on to 30% power.
Lock Front Door
Open Garage Door
Heat Cool Downstair etc.
No need to get up. I don't even need my iPhone or iPad to if I have my watch on. It's a pretty cool feature. Better is that Apple now as a home automation protocal that once the controllers manufactures get up to speed, you will be able to sit on your couch and shout "Hey Siri... Lock Front Door or Hey Siri... Turn on Porch light.. This feature will be available within a few months or less.

This is the iPad that I have mounted in the kitchen wall. It really comes in handy as I also have Apex control on it and the Apex app. As I mentioned, my smoker has wifi control so I can watch and manage pit temps and meat temps from the iPad via the smokers app, I can monitor my meat and grate temps with my iGrill temp and grate probes and much more.
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One last thing.. I probably have one of the most complex Apex installs of any forum member here at RC.. I have 5 EB8's, 4 EB4's, PM1, PM2, 3 VDM modules, 3 Lunar Sims, 1 Dos, 1 AFS, 2 break out boxes, water on the floor, push button garage opener buttons to trigger pumps, over 50 active outlets on my EB's, dozens of virtual outlets, fails safes, ATO control, Kessil control, seriously advance tunze pump control with a mess of profiles that are both random and time based with several hundred plusb lines of code for everything I control and manage via my Apex and so much more. I absolutely love my Apex but a home automation solution such as Vera is better suited for you you want to do, is easy to setup and easy to manage. It's also safe from a security standpoint and will report the condition to you. If the garage door is open, you can even set it to send you email/text alerts or set it so it only stays open for a certain amount of time or open when the temp hits "x" and close when it hits "y",. It will automatically make an audible sound in the garage when the door is going to open or close and like I said, it's VERY easy to setup. If you can program your Apex, you can setup a Vera HA with your eyes closed. It's much easier and less complex than Apex setup even with Fusion. For what you are looking to do, I would strongly suggest an HA solution like Vera.. It will not only do what you want but it will open a lot of doors (no pun intended) that will give you the kind of control that us control freaks can only dream of and do so in a much safer and more secure manner that won't exposure you to security concerns. Speaking of which, you can setup a complete home alarm with notifications, sirens motion, window sensors, smoke and Co2 alarms etc with a device such as Vera.. If it were me, it's a no brainer. Use a HA controller to do what you are after and reap the benifits of all the other possibilites that will be at your disposal.
 
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