Are Corals Dangerous To Us

If your doing softies and LPS they are not zoos. I frag a bunch and never worn gloves and I am still alive. If your smart about it you will not have any troubles. A lot of things can be dangerous, but if you keep your wits about you you'll be fine.
 
Don't eat zoanthids. :spin2:

Seriously, if "zoanthid juice" isn't getting into open wounds, your eyes, your mouth, etc. there is no issue. That is easy to avoid. And it's not going to kill you unless you have some zoa colonies for lunch.
 
what other corals or reef tank inhabitants other than zoos are considered toxic and/or dangerous to handle?
 
You can have an acute allergic reaction to all kinds of things that might be in your tank, but honestly, would you not risk scuba diving or swimming in the ocean? It is a very reasonable risk.

The main thing is to be careful about open wounds. The long latex gloves are highly recommended (the kind vets use to put their hand in...), but lots of people don't wear anything and are fine. Some people occasionally get rashes, etc. It is like people who get allergies to certain pollen. You can't say it is too dangerous to go outside.

All caution should be used when handling zoas/palys though. Don't go rubbing your eye with your hand etc. Wash well afterward and/or use gloves--it can never be a bad thing to be careful.


what other corals or reef tank inhabitants other than zoos are considered toxic and/or dangerous to handle?

Obviously anemones and a few corals can/will sting. Lion fish, scorpion fish etc. Not advocating this at all, but just to give you a frame of reference, I have probably touched every coral, zoa, anemone, urchin, crab... in my tank without incident. Actually, I think my black spined urchin did break skin once.
 
:hmm4: Ugh, the zombie palytoxin thread again.

There's a lot of bad information and paranoia in that tread. You shouldn't pay it much attention.

Yes, palytoxin is present in at least some zoanthids. It's also found in all sorts of other marine organisms too though, including crabs, sponges, clams, worms, sea stars, algae, and all sorts of soft corals and gorgonians. In fact, the typical concentration measured in leathers and GSPs is higher than typically found in most zoanthids.

Despite the ubiquity of the toxin and the popularity of these corals in the hobby, there is only one medically documented case of someone requiring hospitalization due to palytoxin exposure from a coral. It was a colony of Parazoanthus that had one of the highest concentrations of PTX measured in any coral- many times higher than measured in any other zoanthid. Even in that case the patient was given an IV and treated for discomfort, but walked out a few days later. While many other hobbyists claim to have been poisoned by PTX, some even going to the hospital, these claims are unconfirmed, almost always self-diagnosed, and in several cases do not even fit the symptoms of PTX exposure. While there are no doubt several real cases of hobbyists poisoning themselves with PTX, the number of people claiming to have been poisoned is inflated. However, aside from that single medically documented case, the worst that has happened is people have felt really bad for the afternoon.

While it is extremely toxic in animal models, the LD50 of PTX isn't known in humans. However, even assuming that it is as toxic to humans as it is to rats, at the concentrations it's found in most corals, you would literally have to eat your corals to get a lethal dose. It would be very difficult to receive a life-threatening dose accidentally since it can only enter the body through mucous membranes or open wounds, is only released when the corals are cut or damaged, and is usually in such low concentrations. Even outside of the hobby, there are only a handful of medically documented cases of people requiring hospitalization from PTX exposure, and except for that single hobbyist, almost every one of those cases (including the only documented human death from palytoxin) was from eating tainted crabs.

Bottom line, yes the toxin exists and may be in your tank. However, the risk it poses to you is small to begin with and can be virtually eliminated by some cheap gloves and hand washing. It is no reason to get out of the hobby, to stop keeping zoanthids, or even to stop fragging zoanthids.
 
I read an article in a magazine regarding the use of zoas as a weapon. In old times this certain tribe would coat their spears with the zoa juice and use it in battle. I cant for the life of me remember what magazine or why i even remembered that.

People react differently to playing with the coral. My wife who is very allergic to bee stings doesnt do well with them. She gets itchy and turns red. i can handle just about anything and have been stung once. If you use your head you will be fine.
 
I would be more worried about fireworm stings that hurt tremdously (but wont kill you)

I have owned a ton of zoas over the last 2 years....never had any problems handle them with bare hands even cut them up with no gloves never had any issues....

Kinda think about it like this when you go into a grocery store do you wipe down the handle of the cart with alcohol? If not u just exposed your self to millions if not billions of bacteria that "could" be "dangerous".....and yet I dont see a bunch of walmart customers dying
 
:hmm4: Ugh, the zombie palytoxin thread again.

There's a lot of bad information and paranoia in that tread. You shouldn't pay it much attention.

Yes, palytoxin is present in at least some zoanthids. It's also found in all sorts of other marine organisms too though, including crabs, sponges, clams, worms, sea stars, algae, and all sorts of soft corals and gorgonians. In fact, the typical concentration measured in leathers and GSPs is higher than typically found in most zoanthids.

Despite the ubiquity of the toxin and the popularity of these corals in the hobby, there is only one medically documented case of someone requiring hospitalization due to palytoxin exposure from a coral. It was a colony of Parazoanthus that had one of the highest concentrations of PTX measured in any coral- many times higher than measured in any other zoanthid. Even in that case the patient was given an IV and treated for discomfort, but walked out a few days later. While many other hobbyists claim to have been poisoned by PTX, some even going to the hospital, these claims are unconfirmed, almost always self-diagnosed, and in several cases do not even fit the symptoms of PTX exposure. While there are no doubt several real cases of hobbyists poisoning themselves with PTX, the number of people claiming to have been poisoned is inflated. However, aside from that single medically documented case, the worst that has happened is people have felt really bad for the afternoon.

While it is extremely toxic in animal models, the LD50 of PTX isn't known in humans. However, even assuming that it is as toxic to humans as it is to rats, at the concentrations it's found in most corals, you would literally have to eat your corals to get a lethal dose. It would be very difficult to receive a life-threatening dose accidentally since it can only enter the body through mucous membranes or open wounds, is only released when the corals are cut or damaged, and is usually in such low concentrations. Even outside of the hobby, there are only a handful of medically documented cases of people requiring hospitalization from PTX exposure, and except for that single hobbyist, almost every one of those cases (including the only documented human death from palytoxin) was from eating tainted crabs.

Bottom line, yes the toxin exists and may be in your tank. However, the risk it poses to you is small to begin with and can be virtually eliminated by some cheap gloves and hand washing. It is no reason to get out of the hobby, to stop keeping zoanthids, or even to stop fragging zoanthids.

To some this up it sounds like there is a higher risk in dieing in a house fire caused by a malfunction to your tank than from the paly toxin that might be in your tank. :wildone:
 
Kinda think about it like this when you go into a grocery store do you wipe down the handle of the cart with alcohol? If not u just exposed your self to millions if not billions of bacteria that "could" be "dangerous".....and yet I dont see a bunch of walmart customers dying

With all due respect, this is not at all the same thing.
 
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