attacking bristle worms

cgarr017

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Alright so I've had 3 fish disappear in the last couple months. First to go was a small firefish (from a pair), then the 2nd firefish, and now a fat and healthy mccosker's flasher wrasse. I'm almost certain it is the bristles, as i've seen some rather large ones at times, on the verge of pencil size, but never had problems with them until now. rest of the stock includes blue hippo tang, two percula clowns, 2 rose bubble anems (could be the culprit i guess but i doubt it...), large yellow-flanked fairy wrasse, starry blenny, mandarin, serpent star, coral banded shrimp and two black urchins. any thoughts? is there any way to catch the big bristles?
 
U gotta make a trap. Pvc, stocking, string, piece of shrimp. Get em after dark. Bristle worms wouldnt feed on healthy fish though, your fish might of been really sick and ready to go anyway. Sure they didnt jump?

Here, this is from an old post:

Even large bristleworms (>12''s) pose no threat and are good for your system. The have no mandibles and are incapable of biting; they suck down decaying flesh as scavengers. However you could possibly have a Bearded Fireworm. They are rare in the hobby generating mainly from the Atlantic/Caribbean area. The Bearded Fireworm will attack corals and anemones using strong digestive juices to melt away some flesh as a food source. Do a search for Hermodice carunculata and see if this resembles your worm. If you wish to trap it simply take a table shrimp and let it sit out over night to spoil. Next place it in a ladies nylon stocking (add a small stone if you need to weight it) and tie a string to it. Use enough nylon so that the shrimp uses less than a 3rd of the nylon, kind of like placing a basketball in a kitchen trash bag; still plenty of room. After the light go out, lower the nylon to the bottom of the tank where you observe it hiding. As it attempts to eat the shrimp its long white bristles will become entangled in the nylon. Use a net and scoop out in the morning. Should you accidentally be stung by a bristle, remain calm and allow to dry. Use a generous amount of elmers glue over the spines and allow to dry. As you peel the glue from your skin it removes the spines. If any smaller spines remain or if some break, soak in vinegar for 30mins or more to dissolve them. Being a toxin from the sea, run under the hottest water you can stand without scolding yourself for pain relief.
 
Just unlikely for a bristle to eat a healthy fish, no way they could really catch n grasp it. I had a 16+" one in my reef for a while never bothered anything, it ate pellets whenever i fed. Maybe u have somethin else in there? I saw a good diy trap somewhere but cant find it now. U get like 1" pvc cut hole in center, put stocking in it with shrimp inside. Put string through pvc and loosly loop around stocking. Lower it in after lights out, then watch for worm to go in, give it a few sec then pull on string to tighten noose around stocking and worm , pull out pvc. Guy caught a bunch with it and said it was the best way to get them out of several hes tried. Id try the trap n c what u get.
 
Here is another one, a bit more involved but sounds good

COMPONENTS:
Flashlight
Red
balloon or red acetate (semi transparent)
Length of 3/4" PVC pipe
Two 3/4" PVC end caps (or more)
Plastic lid from a food container (butter, cream
cheese, whip cream, etc...)
Bait
Length of fishing line
Aquarium sealant
Quarter inch drill bit with drill
Steps: The most important step is to discover where the bristleworms concentrate. In my experience, I've found them to be in the corners where the water flow is weaker. To discover where the best place to place your trap, you will need a red flashlight and the will to get up in the middle of the night.
To make a red flashlight, cover the lens with red acetate (hobby/craft shop). Another way is to use a simple red balloon. Cut the narrow neck of the balloon off and stretch or roll it over the lens portion of the flashlight. The tighter you stretch the balloon, the thinner the material and stronger the beam of red light.

Before going to bed, plunge the room containing your tank into total darkness. Close the curtains, hide the face of illuminated clocks, etc. After three or four hours, you can approach your tank with the red flashlight. Do not shine the beam straight into the tank. Instead shine it straight down and let the "side" of the light beam enter the tank. There will still be plenty of light to see if ... and where ... your bristleworms like to congregate.

Now that you know where the bristleworms reside, you're ready to trap them.


PREPARE THE TRAP AS FOLLOWS.
Cut the PVC pipe to desired length (six or eight inches). One of the advantages of using a PVC trap is that you can cut several lengths of pipe. You may have a tight corner or small open space where you need a trap of two inches or so. The PVC trap will easily accommodate any length you wish.

Drill a quarter inch hole in the middle of the two end caps.

Cut two circles out of the plastic lid a tad smaller that the diameter of the end caps.

Use the aquarium sealant to glue the circles to the outside of the end caps. If you have a problem getting the plastic circles to "stick" because they are too smooth, you can rough them up first with sand paper.

Be sure the sealant does not fill the quarter inch hole drilled into the end cap.

After the sealant has cured (approximately 24 hours), use a sharp knife or razor blade and cut an "X" in the plastic lid where it covers the quarter inch hole in the end cap.

Using the blunt end of the knife or a screwdriver, "bend" the four tabs of the "X" down into the inside of the end cap.

Insert the length of PVC pipe into the two end caps.

Do not glue the end caps in place, as you will need to remove the caps to empty the worms you catch.

Tie one end of a small length of fishing line around the middle of the PVC pipe, and tie a loop in the other end of the fishing line.

Now your trap is complete.
The idea of using a "plastic lid" with an "X" came from Mr. Albert Thiel. The concept is bristle worms can push their way through the four tabs of the "X" to get inside, since they are travelling in the same direction as the tabs are bent. When they try to crawl out, the tabs bend back out, thus "shutting" the opening.
As a hint, prepare several pairs of end caps. The preparation as described above will catch medium to small worms. You can catch the bigger worms by first snipping the very tip (half a millimeter) of each tab before bending it down. By having several different pairs of end caps, you can catch different sizes of worms, depending on the"size"of your bristleworm problem.


The trap is now ready to be used.
There are several kinds of baits you can use.
Different baits will have different results.


I prefer using freeze dried "Jumbo Shrimp" commonly sold in pet stores. It is easy to break into small pieces (pea size), you don't have to visit your local fish market, nor have to freeze it to keep it from spoiling. Break off three or four "pea" size pieces of bait.

Drop the bait into the PVC trap and recap it. Put the trap into your tank vertically and let it fill with water. You can then drop it in the desire spot, or use some type of hook and the loop of the fishing line to place it exactly where you want it.

Then shut your lights off as you normally do. Be sure to close curtains and turn off ANY other lights. The next morning, use a hook to "lasso" the loop of the fishing line and lift the PVC out of your tank. You may wish to use a small bucket to place the trap into, since it will leak water once removed from the tank.

Final step is to remove one of the end caps and see how successful you were the night before. There are several reasons I like the above trap over a few others I have tried. First, the PVC is denser than salt water, so it will naturally sink. You don't have to bury or weigh it down to keep it on the bottom of the tank. Second, it is easy to switch end caps to catch different size worms. The major reason, is that it is easy to place and remove from the tank using a "hook" and the loop of the fishing line. This keeps your arms out of the tank and reduces any stress on the inhabitants.
 
What inverts in this tank? Coral banded shrimp? Crabs? Brittle stars? Unlikely to be bristle worms.
 
@tozzi thanks for the extended replies. i may go that route if it comes down to it.
@snorvich- inverts as stated above include coral banded shrimp(not big enough to consume the fish gone missing), serpant star, small black urchins, 2 large rose bubble anems(but i dont see it as being them because they have been fixed in the same position on top of a large elevated middle rock for months without moving. and the disappearances occur over night when the fish are in their burrows). other than some hermits that's all the inverts. The reef has been established for 6 years without any sign of unusual hitch-hikers
 
How big is the serpent star? They can def kill a fish. Mine always have their disk elevated ready to drop down on someone
 
he never comes out but the last time i saw his whole body, his disk was about the size of a nickel i guess? it's the average size for an adult...they all look the same size to me
 
what are the chances it is an unknown predator that has grown a sizeable amount over time? I've had my live rock for five years, but what if it is a weird hitch-hiker that grew over time and is now large enough to eat fish? It's got to be either that or a bristle worm that is the size of my thumb.
 
What kind of serpent is it?

I agree it is very unlikely to be a bristle worm. Certain types of worms will eat snails and clams, but usually they only fish if they're dead or nearly dead.

Do you ever hear popping sounds coming from your tank?
 
harlequin serpent star. really don't think he is the culprit. I'm going to set a trap in a couple days and see what i get.
 
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