Auto top off

joesreeftank

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I installed an auto top off kit this weekend that I purchased from floatswitches.net as a result of seeing it on one of these threads. It is working great and was pretty easy to install following the directions.
I paid 39 bucks for the kit plus 10 shipping. I believe it will help my protein skimmer to operate at its highest capacity. I was just working in the cabinet below my tank and the pump came on for about 2 seconds and topped the sump off.
 
What kit did yo buy? When I typed in that URL it took me to Chicago Sensor. I would love to set up a ATO under my tank until I can do the real modifications later this year.
 
Waggs, I use that ATO, just the older version that had a different bracket, and it has worked extremely well for years. Just have to soak and clean the floats in vinegar every now and then...

I like to put the whole ATO on a timer so it can only kick on for 15mins every couple hours, just as an added safety. With an AquaLifter pump, it adds water very slowly and even if a float switch sticks on, it will only run for 15mins, which is less than 1gal of water at worst.

+1 for ATOs!
 
cordell, I'd like to see how you are set up. I like the timer thing too.

Go to a hardware store and buy one of these:

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Set it to only run for 15 minutes. Plug the power supply for the ATO into it. Done!

This is most effective if you have a pump with a low flow rate, i.e. an aqualifter or peristaltic pump. If you're using a maxi-jet or something else with a high flow rate, you should probably look for a timer with a very fine increment (i.e. one minute). Or, just switch to a pump with a lower flow rate.
 
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Apparently soapbox doesn't like you borrowing their image dwzm, but I assume it's a timer similar to the one I use that has 15 minute increments. I think my brand is Brinks, but I'm sure there are several brands to choose from.

Actually, 15mins is longer than I'd like mine to be allowed to run. Something more like 5-8mins would be perfect as I don't evap enough water to need the pump to run for 15mins, but that's the only timer I could find that didn't use 30min intervals, and not cost a ton.

That's basically all you do.. Piece of cake. I'll grab a pic this evening..

Edit: Now the pic works... I like the flip cover on that timer. Nifty!
 
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I used to use the JBJ ATO - which actually worked rather well. It was self limited to 15mins. Used it with an aqualifter pump and worked out nicely.
 
This is most effective if you have a pump with a low flow rate, i.e. an aqualifter or peristaltic pump. If you're using a maxi-jet or something else with a high flow rate, you should probably look for a timer with a very fine increment (i.e. one minute). Or, just switch to a pump with a lower flow rate.

When I got this aquarium I received a box of odds and ends and in it was an electronic timer. Well since it required programming to make it operate I jumped on the internet to find directions on how to program. I found that it had been recalled so I sent it back. They sent me a new one that was twice what the old one was and still in the sealed plastic display package with all the paperwork. So I lucked out there. This one is a plug-in electronic digital timer controls lamps or appliances with up to 14 on and 14 off times per day, sunrise/sunset and daylight savings time. Also has random mode for security. Dual outlet, battery backup. A very nice timer I think.

That JBL system looks nice but out of my budget right now. Also looked at this auto top off system. http://autotopoff.com/products/DS1/ and I can get the Aqualifter pump.
 

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That's what I plan on using and why I included the dual switch product. I didn't think the price was all that bad and it is already set up for a sump system.
 
I don't like the dual float setup because the floats were too far apart, so they required more water than I wanted to evaporate before the ATO came on. I use a JBJ in the mode where 1 float controls the pump on/off & the 2nd is setup to prevent the pump from coming on if the water level in my top off bucket is too low.

I do need to get my aqualifter back from my friend so I can stop using my Mag7 as a top-off pump...
 
Hmm... I may be confused. I thought the dual float setup we were talking about is the one that has a main float switch (the bottom float) to control when the topoff pump is turned on, and the upper switch is just emergency in case the bottom float sticks. This setup keeps the water level very steady, within an 1/8th of an inch or so if you allow it to run 24/7 without a timer. With a timer letting it run every couple hours, the level in my sump varies about 1/2" or so, but that depends on the return section size of the sump.

It's funny... I can tell that I need to clean my bottom float switch because today the sump level is about 1/2" higher than usual, so I know the bottom float is stuck on, but the timer only let it run long enough to overfill the 1/2" as planned.

Promise I'll get a pic of mine tomorrow... Class has been crazy since spring break is over now. :(
 
I installed an auto top off kit this weekend that I purchased from floatswitches.net as a result of seeing it on one of these threads. It is working great and was pretty easy to install following the directions.
I paid 39 bucks for the kit plus 10 shipping. I believe it will help my protein skimmer to operate at its highest capacity. I was just working in the cabinet below my tank and the pump came on for about 2 seconds and topped the sump off.

It sounds like your skimmer is in the same chamber as the return. If this is the case, you should put a partition/baffle in between the return and skimmer. This will allow water fluxuation from evaporation in the return pump chamber. Then put the ato in the return chamber and your water level in the skimmer chamber will never fluxuate and allow the skimmer to run at optimum preformance! ATO is one, if not, the best piece of equipment!
 
Okay my switch has been installed for a couple of weeks now and it is working great. Yes the bottom switch is the one that turns the pump on and the upper switch is a safety. I really am just protecting the pump from running dry. I only have a 5 gal bucket of RO that the pump sits in so even if it was to get stuck my Sump could handle the 5 gal without overflowing.

I am still new to this hobby however I’ll tell you why i do not want a timer.

The reason I installed the auto top off is so that my Protein skimmer would work at its maximum level. my protean skimmer operates better when the water in the sump maintains the same level, I have seen the improvement since installing the auto top off.
 
joesreef... that's understandable about the water level issue with the timer. With mine setup the way it is now, my level varies about 1/4" which is the evaporation of 1hr45mins, but the variation of water level will depend on how big or small the return section of the sump is. My entire sump is unbaffled, so the whole thing evaps evenly, so the level drops slowly with evaporation.

Waggs, here's a couple quick pics of mine (sorry it took so long). This is just to give an idea, and probably should be cleaned up a little bit.

Here, you can see the float bracket in the sump and the wires coming from them. The two black wires on the left from the sump go to the little black box that has the relay (seen in next pic). The bottom float sits down in the white cup. The white cup has only a few small holes drilled in it, so when the sump level bounces up and down from the high flow, the level in the cup stays mostly constant, so the switch isn't kicking on and off constantly.
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Inside-the-sump shot of the floats. You can see my top (emergency) float is too high. It should be closer to the bottom float so it will shutoff the topoff pump sooner in the case of a sticky bottom float.
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You can see where I have the relay box mounted here. Not the best spot, but I haven't moved it since I rearranged the sump. Put it somewhere out of the way.
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The timer with the 12v relay power adapter. Notice that since my bottom float got sticky couple day ago, I haven't had time to clean it, so I just changed my schedule to topoff every 4hrs, instead of 2hrs. Set this to whatever works for you to keep sump level from varying too much (if your skimmer is in there)
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This is my ATO reservoir, RO/DI, topoff pump, and tubing everywhere! Labels should help..
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Inside the ATO reservoir. I use kalkwasser, so the feed line for ATO pump doesn't draw directly from the bottom, but 1" above it. I also have the float setup so the inside water level doesn't go up to the actual inlet of the float valve, so there's less chance of kalk building up on the float valve and sticking it open.
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And last, you can see where the ATO line comes into the sump. It is zip-tied to the return line. It has to be high like this (above the highest water level of the ATO reservoir) to prevent a siphon continuing flow after the ATO pump turns off.
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So, nothing special here. This is just the way I do it with pretty good results. Maybe others can give ideas how to make this better or cleaner. Hope that helps...
 
Thanks for the photos it does help. I think I can control the ATO system with the Reef Keeper Lite timer function. That would be cool too.
 
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