Bad Experience With Neptune

I just want to let everyone know about problems with the Apex system I have been having and Neptunes actions.
It has been an "OK" device, with some good functions, but definately not as flexable as everyone claims...but I suppose that can be opinion, so I will stick to the facts.

I have been having problems with my heater and other devices not shutting off. I generally got brushed off the first time I called Neptune - telling me that the problem I was having was impossible or never heard of..but they never offered to ship it back. So I lived with the problems - bugs in the software, test auto resizing, etc - and being told "you must have hit something" by neptune and the forums.
I noticed recently that when my lights go off, the temp actually increases in the tank..turns out that my output # 2 - connected to the heater - was never really off all the way. I called neptune and he thought it was my heater and to try a lamp when I got home. I did this and the lamp is partially lit, no matter the state of the output. I called back and finally got an RMA number....but there was no "sorry for the inconvience" or "we will cover the shipping to and from", no expedited return shipping, nothing like that. Simply and RMA number and instructions to ship it to the address on the website and really just hurried off the phone. So I am sitting here with a really bad taste in my mouth with this company. (I ordered the system on the 16th of feb and did not receive it until the 26th even though I let them know I needed it sooner and they shipped it standard anyways - I even offered to pay the increased expedited shipping cost).

I have had it installed less then 2 months and am less then happy with it. I think the controller is really unstable and can easily be crashed....let your apex window open for a while, then make a change and hit accept...it will crash if the apex has timed out. Of course, anyone who tries this will say "mine is ok, are you sure you didn't hit something". I am an EE...I think I can figure out this simple device.

So I stand here, getting ready to ship this back to the west coast on my dime, wait for the repair, and then return shipping...Ill be without for about 2 weeks. I asked for expedited return shipping...but they won't unless I pay the difference.

Ill repost if anything changes, but I doubt it. I just wanted to let everyone know that they are not all they seem to be cracked up to be on alot of forums.
 
So essentially, you are upset that they will not pay for express shipping?

That and their general "that's not possible" response. This outlet was a problem for a while and I was told its probably low power factor, move it to the relay output. If something isn't right, it can't possibly be the equipment, it has to be the operator. Their lack of communication or regards for the consumer. I think if you sell something that is this niche, and cost this much, that company should go above and beyond to satisfy customers.
 
I've had only the best in customer service from Neptune and although the buttons are very sensitive and is easy to hit twice without realizing it, I've had no problems.
 
So essentially, you are upset that they will not pay for express shipping?

It sounds a bit more serious than that. It sounds like a customer service issue. Even if he's wrong, and they are right, meaning the product wasn't working because he pushed too many buttons or something like that, it sounds like he wanted a few kind words and a little special treatment.

Hey...who doesn't want that!
 
It sounds a bit more serious than that. It sounds like a customer service issue. Even if he's wrong, and they are right, meaning the product wasn't working because he pushed too many buttons or something like that, it sounds like he wanted a few kind words and a little special treatment.

Hey...who doesn't want that!

Customer service - I suppose that could wrap it up. Even before evaluation of the "defect" it seemed like they thought it couldnt be their fault...only something I did.

I dont want this to sound bad, but oh well, I design industral control systems for a living...I think I can handle something as simple as this.
 
That and their general "that's not possible" response. This outlet was a problem for a while and I was told its probably low power factor, move it to the relay output. If something isn't right, it can't possibly be the equipment, it has to be the operator. Their lack of communication or regards for the consumer. I think if you sell something that is this niche, and cost this much, that company should go above and beyond to satisfy customers.

Did you try the relay outlet?
 
I have the same issue as the OP. Socket 1 on the EB8 stays on, low voltage. I made a post here a couple days ago, and will be contacting Neptune next week. I've since moved the plug (to my actinics) to socket 5 and don't have the issue now.

My unit is just under 2 months old.

This is the 3rd post I've seen in the last week or so about the EB8 issue.
 
I had a bad outlet on 1 of my four eb8s and I could not be with out it, so I asked Curt from neptune to send me a new one out and when I recieved the new one I would return the defective one back to him. He just asked for my credit card number just in case I didn't return the defective one. I did return it after I recieved the new one and was never charged. Just an alternative suggestion in case you can't be with out the power bar for awhile.Neptune always seems to be acomadating.
 
Outlets stuck in the "on position" seems to be a theme. My #1 outlet stayed on and I was told that it may be because it arch welded in the open position. This seems to be a problem when you have a low current to the outlet. Yes this is a big concern with the product. I am sending my EB8 back in to be repaired.

My experience with customer service has been the opposite. I have found that Neptune is very friendly and that they help out a bunch. Curt has sent a lot of e-mails back and forth to help me when I have problems. When I first got my Neptune one of my ballast had so much EMI that it interfered with my APEX. I lost two HM lights because the Apex was acting up. Neptune took my Apex back, fixed it so that the EMI did not interfere. Neptune then gave me $75.00 credit for the two lights that burned out as a result of the EMI.

They got a gold star from me!
 
Outlets stuck in the "on position" seems to be a theme. My #1 outlet stayed on and I was told that it may be because it arch welded in the open position. This seems to be a problem when you have a low current to the outlet. Yes this is a big concern with the product. I am sending my EB8 back in to be repaired.

My experience with customer service has been the opposite. I have found that Neptune is very friendly and that they help out a bunch. Curt has sent a lot of e-mails back and forth to help me when I have problems. When I first got my Neptune one of my ballast had so much EMI that it interfered with my APEX. I lost two HM lights because the Apex was acting up. Neptune took my Apex back, fixed it so that the EMI did not interfere. Neptune then gave me $75.00 credit for the two lights that burned out as a result of the EMI.

They got a gold star from me!

That is great. Maybe they will redeem themselves. I have the compliment the USPS on their flat rate box service. My wife dropped the EB8 off at the PO on saturday morning (in Augusta, Ga) and the box was delivered in San Jose California Monday morning @ 10AM. Not bad for $10.20.

As far as the #1 welding shut, that really only occurs on relay contacts, so it would technically only happen on # 4 and #8.

"In some cases the triac in your circuit can be dagamed typically because of overcurrent, overvoltage or too much heating. Triac failure modes can be either "blown open" or "blown short".

If the Triac blows open, all connections are opened up as the semiconductor material has failed catastrophically and the explosive force inside the device clears disperses the internal wiring.

If the Triac blows short, the shorts can be to any combination of the terminals. MT1 to MT2 (gate open), MT1 to gate (MT2 open), MT2 to gate (MT1 open) or MT1 and MT2 to gate.

There are normally no half-way houses in the failure modes. They go either fully short or fully open. The most common failure mode seems to be a short circuit." http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/semiconductor_relays.html#triacfailure

So since these failed outlets are not staying on at full voltage, I don't think the triacs are bad. I would suspect that something is wrong with the triggering cicuit and instead of not triggering when the outlet is off, it continues to trigger and the AC wave is chopped, givings up partial output voltage.
 
A "sorry for the inconvenience" would have been nice. But other than that I see no "customer service" issue at all.

There isn't a single manufacturer in this hobby that will pay for return shipping, or pay for expedited return shipping, that I have dealt with. I have dealt with quite a few "high end" manufacturers. Geissman, Neptune, Reeflo, and Ecotech Marine to name a few. Even livestock vendors won't cover shipping on warranty issues (LA/Divers Den specifically b/c that's all I deal with really).
 
Amore,

I have to say that I just had a "transaction" with Ecotech and they exceeded all mentioned above. I was overwhelmed! I've had a few small issues in the past and found them outstanding to deal with. I'll put up with the minor noise in exchange for the otherwise excellent product and that top level service.
 
I certainly don't have a problem with an exchange program that holds a credit card number in case I do not return the item. Ship me out the replacement part (1-2 day shipping) and I will return the defective part and keep the system running with minimum down time, rather than waiting a week or two (while the repair is being done plus shipping times both ways). This should always be offer to a customer for a small, easy to ship item, regardless of the company.
 
I've had an ACIII for several years. In the beginning I had some oddball issues with it. Come to find out the firmware needed to be updated. That was frustrating. IMO it should have been ready to roll straight out of the box. Every since I've had that corrected I cant complain about Neptune.. I haven't heard anybody complain about their Apex. I'm sure there may be some annoying bugs here and there but nothing major. If you do have a bad unit (its possible I guess) then I'm sure they will make it right. I would definatley be annoyed no doubt.
 
I purchased an apex in December of last year and didn't set it up until after the first of the year thens when i found out there was a problem with the unit.
It wouldn't power up the head unit unless i held the usb cable in the socket.
So i called the seller and they said that, that can't be possible this is a new system and that they have never heard of this problem before. I thought to my self I am sure that may be true but it doesn't change the fact that I am having this problem.
Finlay they sent me a new usb cable I tried it and still wouldn't work so I called them back and they referred me to Kurt from Neptune systems and we discussed the problem and tried to figure out what was wrong and finally they suggested that i send the complete system back and they would trouble shot the problem and send it back when it was repaired.
( Mind you this was at there expense! And i have been happy ever sense!)
I love my apex unit"

Thank you Kurt
 
I have had problems w/ outlet 1 on my EB8 as well. (APEX unit) it seemed to have stay in the open state. I ran a 250w MH balast on it, so definitly not a low power issue. A day later the outlet seems to be working fine???

So maybe this is a defect as well. Hopefully I can get one sent to me while I use the current one and then return the defective one.

Alos it seems to me that the display unit freezes or displays nonesense often. Especially if I scroll up to get to outlets at the bottom rather than go top down to the bottom outlets? Anyone else have these issues or is this just me?

I do have latest firmware. And the unit is only a month or so old and in use for a week.

Also pH probe calibration readings. Always seems to read ,3 high. YES i calibrated per instructions and did it 2 times with same result. I gave the probe close to 5 minutes to settle.
When i tested the readings after calibration in the 7.0 or 10.0 it would read 7.3 or10.3. I got new 7.0 & 10.0 packets and will attempt another calibration & hopefully work correctly.

I too have contacted neptune and on both issues basically been told these issues are unheard of and I am doing something wrong. They seem very short. This I don't appreciate. These are very complex things. Not like just plugging in a Light fixture.

But in general I do really like the unit. Hopefully neptune will resolve these issues and be patient with Us
 
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