balling vs calcium reactor for sps?

The_Wonderboy

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I am setting up a new sps reef and would like to get all my equipment in order prior to set up. the current topic is if i should do the balling method w/ dosing pumps or a calcium reactor. id like to figure out which is more cost effective in the long run. 2 part + magnesium with dosing pumps is pretty close to a calcium reactor minus the ph controller. but long term will buying and shipping large amount of bulk materials cost more? which is more consistant? do calcium reactors drop ph? which is more time consuming? again any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
There is much information to take into account here. Caclium reactors will need CO2 charges and new media. This will depend on your calcium requirements on your tank. The balling method works well from what I've seen but I went with a Kalk/Calc reactor combo instead. Paid for the costs upfront but have been happy with the results. Either one works. My question would be can you find all the salts and reagents needed to do the balling method in the US?
 
I find the ca/rx is the best way to go for me. I tried both and the balling method was more of a pita.
With balling I had to make ca/mag/alk solutions every few days. Make sure i stayed up on waterchanges to keep clhoride levels down (From balling) Clean the doser every few refills and maintain with new hoses ect.

My ca/rx i fill the midia once every 6 mos and co2 every year.
 
Be sure you use good media if you go with the ca reactor. I used the balling method right now, it is a pita for sure, but I don't have room to stick a ca/rx nor the $ to get one. I have not run into any troubles so far. I mix several gallons at a time to reduce the amount of times I have do the mixing
 
excuse the ignorance but what is the rx in ca/rx? also what calcium reactor would you recommend? ive been eye ballin the Korallin c3002. i have a 5lb co2 system left over from a freshwater planted tank.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13812295#post13812295 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The_Wonderboy
excuse the ignorance but what is the rx in ca/rx? also what calcium reactor would you recommend? ive been eye ballin the Korallin c3002. i have a 5lb co2 system left over from a freshwater planted tank.

i know 5 people that got rid of there korallin and bought a geo and never looked back
 
way to many posts from me in a row. i answered most my own questions but what do you think about the geo 618. it says its rated up to 350gallons but they typically aim for the sky with those figures. in reality the tanks display is roughly 135 gallons + sump. plans for the tank is sps domination. so do you think that size will do the trick?
 
Geo makes an awesome cal reactor. DO NOT get a korallin. You will regret it long term. I was talking to a buddy tonight about his P.O.S. korallin reactor and how he needed a real reactor! I run a MRC CR-2. It is a dual chamber. New they are about $300.
 
how do you like your ca reactor? pretty consistant? another question i had as i have not had a ca reactor before. i was reading about someone with a geo using a maxijet 400 for the water input. but i did not see a water out except the efluent. if your injecting that much water into the unit and dripping water out of the effluent side. what happens to all the extra water?
 
Rx=reactor.

I started with balling a couple of months ago after using Ca Rx's for years... Balling is a little more work overall, but it's nothing like equipment hassles with Ca Rx's, and I think it's so much easier to figure out your dose and dose itâ€"it's all just mathematics. It's not that big of a hassle with Ca Rx's, but it isn't as precise or easy as dosing the chemicals straight, trust me. Plus the benefits of ballingâ€"NEVER seeing my pH below 8.05, and not having any excess CO2 in my system, has been great (after years of seeing a pH of 7.8 way too often). Also, most Ca Rx's will add a little (or a lot) of phosphates to your system, which if you run the Ca Rx effluent through GFO's, or have a good overall nutrient removal plan in place, isn't a big deal.

For balling you really only need to order the calcium chloride and magnesium chloride by mail order. For the alkalinity you can using either baking soda or baked baking soda, aka soda ash, ($5 for 10 pounds at Smart and Final), and Epsom salts for the magnesium sulfate.

You do have to keep an eye on salinity, adding the chlorides will raise it very slightly. I just make my WC water a little lower to compensate. I also do true balling (as opposed to 2-Part dosing) and add 20 grams a week of Fauna Marine chloride free mineral salt (cherrycorals.com) to combat the chloride build up.

If your looking for cheapest in the long run, it's probably a Ca reactor, but you won't see the savings for 2-4 years. And you have to be prepared to research and learn a lot more, and get used to fiddling with equipment to dial in the Ca Rx at firstâ€"maybe fiddling a little, maybe a lot (depends on a lot of things ranging from CO2 needle valve quality, to how you feed the reactorâ€"slow flow peristaltic pumps are best for feeding). A Ca Rx is daunting at first to a newbie, a little confusing, and requires much testing and fiddlng, don't underplay this. Also, you need to be prepared for possible PO4's and lower pH and CO2 in the system, and many Ca Rx's owners have to dose a little alkalinity supplement as a lot of systems use more alkalinity than the Ca Rx can provide.

If you want the easiest in terms of set and forget, with much less equipment oriented issues, and much less money up front, it's balling. But you do have to keep track of salinity and WC's become much more important. I use 2.5 gallon jugs of the the alk and Ca solutions, and for my 90g tank they last me almost 3 months. I use inexpensive Drews Doser peristaltic pumps (bulkreefsupply.com, about $85) connected to my RK2 controller, that turns the pumps on for one minute sessions at certain intervals throughout the day. I simply lower the intervals between doses as the demand within the calcium carbonate grows.

If you do go with a Ca Rx (and GEO's are great), I highly recommend the coarse Gen-X media. It was the lowest in PO4 that I found....
 
Todd do you think balling would be better for a new sps tank? I'm thinking of how the CA requirements will be changing over the course of the next couple of years. Constantly adjusting the CA Rx sounds like more of a PITA than adjusting a computerized doser like the profilux standalone unit. What do you think? I have no experience with Ca Rx. I used an LMIII before with 2 part and found it to be really easy. Only thing was like you said the raising salinity. But adjusting the CA and alk was as simple as pushing a button.
 
I have a brand new MRC CaRx sitting in boxes for the past7-months. I bought it with the hope of actually setting it up but procrastination got the best of me. To that end, I have been dosing (maybe not true balling) on my 200-gallon sps tank for the past 4-years with no issues and very little cost. I use two-part calcium and baked baking soda. My mag. is kept up using good quality salt with proven mag. readings. Granted my tank is not TOTM quality in regard to sps growth, etc but I feel that dosing is definitely NOT hard and NOT expensive by any means.

I know the question you are asking yourself is if I was so happy with dosing than why did I buy a CaRx. Well truth be told I simply jumped on the craze of "you have to have a CaRx to have a successful sps predominate tank". That is what I kept reading here and that was what most TOTM tanks had; at least 90%+ of them. Looking back jumping on the proverbial band wagon was short term the wrong move and in someway I regret buying the reactor.

Over the next month or so I am going to attempt to hook up the MRC CaRx and see how difficult it is to use, etc. Than I can really judge side-by-side how both work.

My only other reason fro purchasing the reactor is can Balling REALLY keep up with a tank that has crazy sps growth on a 200-gallon tank???

BTW: This is a GREAT topic and one that has had me thinking for a while now. It seems like it is always a 50/50 split when I see this tipic come up on the forum. Thanks for all the great replies and keep them coming.

Thx.
 
I used to use a calcium reactor along with a kalk stirrer, but now use a simple two part. The two part method has worked out much better for myself and the tank.

When I had the Ca reactor my Ph was ALWAYS on the low side. Eventually I had to get a kalk stirrer in order to keep my Ph in check.

Now, with the two part solution I just mix up a gallon of Ca and Alk every two months. The Magnesium is mixed up every three months or so. I add 50ml of Ca before going to work, and 50ml of alk before lights out.

I have to watch my Specific gravity as it tends to rise with this method. I skim heavy so I'm not worried about rising SG. I simply replace the skimmate water with fresh water to offset it.


The Balling Method and two part are pretty much the same. The one difference I have observed is that the Balling Method uses chloride free parts so rising SG is not an issue.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13813640#post13813640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tegee
"you have to have a CaRx to have a successful sps predominate tank".
Obviously this is not a true statement. They just automate the params and make the husbandry a little less daunting.

[/i]My only other reason fro purchasing the reactor is can Balling REALLY keep up with a tank that has crazy sps growth on a 200-gallon tank???

You can keep up with the demands with any method. It just depends on how much effort you want to spend in doing so. You will have to test and adjust no matter which way you go. There is no way around that part. But with the Rx you normally have to replenish the media a little less often than when doing two part. and I run a kalk Rx to raise my Ph. It runs between 8.3-8.5 for the most part. Might fluctuate when doing a WC. HTH
 
i run a profilux standalone doser and dose cal,alk,and mag all seperate on their own pumps and its frickin sweet....and easy
 
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