Bare bottom or not

madmike10000

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Im upgrading my 65 to a 75. And my 65 has a 5 inch sandbed tank has been up for 6 months. I have sps, lps and softies is it a good idea to just move some of the sand to the fuge (i currently have no sand in fuge just macro algea) and ho bare bottom or have a 1 inch sand bed
 
I've had both and my current bare bottom (starboard bottom6 years old) is very easy to maintain. I'd never go back to sand. I do miss using sand to isolate corals and for keeping certain wrasses, but its worth it for the cleanliness and ease of maintenance.
 
1/2 of sand, just enough for wrasses to bury at night when they sleep, keeps the tank cleaner, inch in fuge
I do have a 6 line wrasse and a fairy wrasse so should i go with like a 1 inch bed?
I've had both and my current bare bottom (starboard bottom6 years old) is very easy to maintain. I'd never go back to sand. I do miss using sand to isolate corals and for keeping certain wrasses, but its worth it for the cleanliness and ease of maintenance.
 
Shallow sand beds are just too easy to maintain IME. I'd definitely do this in the DT and keep the refugium bare. GL.
 
I've had both and my current bare bottom (starboard bottom6 years old) is very easy to maintain. I'd never go back to sand. I do miss using sand to isolate corals and for keeping certain wrasses, but its worth it for the cleanliness and ease of maintenance.

+1
So much easier.
 
Shallow sand beds are just too easy to maintain IME. I'd definitely do this in the DT and keep the refugium bare. GL.
I think your right. Having the fuge and the sump bb lets me get all the junk out every week when i do my waterchange which is nice. Should i use the same sand? The sand is about 8 years old(maybe more) when i bought the tank i cleaned all the sand and reused it. Maybe its time to just replace it but im not sure
 
I think your right. Having the fuge and the sump bb lets me get all the junk out every week when i do my waterchange which is nice. Should i use the same sand? The sand is about 8 years old(maybe more) when i bought the tank i cleaned all the sand and reused it. Maybe its time to just replace it but im not sure

Being that sand is real easy to remove if things go south, I'd use the old stuff again. Just make sure to rinse the crap out of it beforehand. GL.
 
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I bared my bottom about nine months ago. Took some doing, since I'd always had coral sand in my various tanks for over 30 years. Yes, I like the aesthetic appeal of a white sand bottom. However, I got fed up with diatom patches on the sandbed that eventually failed to respond to anything I did, short of potions, which I'm not going to use, except in a quarantine tank.

I could've replaced the sand, but wondered if I was simply making a rod for my own back. I have a large stock of soft corals that appreciate the fish being heavily fed. In addition, I was feeding very well to make sure my Copperband butterfly and my Regal Angel were getting enough food in a very greedy environment.

The key thing that swayed me was that I realised that I could point my two Jebao WP40 powerheads down at the bottom glass to sweep crud away and create strong upflows. [My tank is 5'x2'x2' and needs all the strong current it can get.]

Then, when I gradually cleared all the coral sand away, I noticed something that gave me further food for thought, and suggested to me that I'd made the right move. It was the sheer amount of crud that I could now see accumulating - even over just one week! Before, for years and years, having a coral sand bottom had disguised just how much crud was piling up. Admittedly, as I said above, I was feeding heavily [at least 5 cubes of frozen fish food per day, plus flake or mussels, or marine grazer rings, etc], and also my Yellow Tang does - as they all do - poo for Britain, a piscatorial dung machine. Nonetheless, it was an eye-opener, even after all these years of marine tanks.

Yes, I do miss the beauty of a pristine white sand bed, but I wouldn't go back, not with my current tank.

Here's what my experience suggests to me:

Against baring your bottom:
- Rules out some wonderful wrasses. [The silver-bellied yellow wrasse is one of my favourites; not that great-looking in lfs tanks, but once settled in, it positively gleams, is always about, troubles nothing else and - only sometimes! - will occasionally eat flatworms.]
- Aesthetically, takes some getting used to.
- Crud can become visible in a way it wasn't before.

For baring your bottom:
- Can increase the tank's water flow without creating a sandstorm. Most fish appreciate this, and many [though not all] corals.
- This increased water flow can improve the efficiency of your live rock, especially if your rock is nicely opened out by the use of acrylic rods or cable ties, etc., rather than just lumped down together.
- The crud can be seen and siphoned out during a water change, in a way not easily possible before.
- Diatoms and cyano find it less easy to take hold on a bare bottom, especially with the increased water flow.
- The tank bottom gradually becomes encrusted with green and purple, becoming a bit less aesthetically challenging.

Discussion points for further rumination:
- With a bare-bottom tank, does the ability to siphon out the crud more easily then make old-tank syndrome [in which a mature tank seems not to thrive any more] less likely?
- Does the absence of coral sand on the tank's bottom affect - perhaps in the long-term - the tank's carbonate hardness and/or PH levels? [In the early days of marine tanks, it was commonly held that coral sand helped stabilise the tank's carbonate and PH levels. However, if the sand is mature, does each grain become so coated with organic matter - bacteria etc - that the sand doesn't function in that way?]


NB: My tank experience discussed above is for a fish + soft corals + RTB anemone reef. I have no lps or sps corals in the tank.
 
I bared my bottom about nine months ago. Took some doing, since I'd always had coral sand in my various tanks for over 30 years. Yes, I like the aesthetic appeal of a white sand bottom. However, I got fed up with diatom patches on the sandbed that eventually failed to respond to anything I did, short of potions, which I'm not going to use, except in a quarantine tank.

I could've replaced the sand, but wondered if I was simply making a rod for my own back. I have a large stock of soft corals that appreciate the fish being heavily fed. In addition, I was feeding very well to make sure my Copperband butterfly and my Regal Angel were getting enough food in a very greedy environment.

The key thing that swayed me was that I realised that I could point my two Jebao WP40 powerheads down at the bottom glass to sweep crud away and create strong upflows. [My tank is 5'x2'x2' and needs all the strong current it can get.]

Then, when I gradually cleared all the coral sand away, I noticed something that gave me further food for thought, and suggested to me that I'd made the right move. It was the sheer amount of crud that I could now see accumulating - even over just one week! Before, for years and years, having a coral sand bottom had disguised just how much crud was piling up. Admittedly, as I said above, I was feeding heavily [at least 5 cubes of frozen fish food per day, plus flake or mussels, or marine grazer rings, etc], and also my Yellow Tang does - as they all do - poo for Britain, a piscatorial dung machine. Nonetheless, it was an eye-opener, even after all these years of marine tanks.

Yes, I do miss the beauty of a pristine white sand bed, but I wouldn't go back, not with my current tank.

Here's what my experience suggests to me:

Against baring your bottom:
- Rules out some wonderful wrasses. [The silver-bellied yellow wrasse is one of my favourites; not that great-looking in lfs tanks, but once settled in, it positively gleams, is always about, troubles nothing else and - only sometimes! - will occasionally eat flatworms.]
- Aesthetically, takes some getting used to.
- Crud can become visible in a way it wasn't before.

For baring your bottom:
- Can increase the tank's water flow without creating a sandstorm. Most fish appreciate this, and many [though not all] corals.
- This increased water flow can improve the efficiency of your live rock, especially if your rock is nicely opened out by the use of acrylic rods or cable ties, etc., rather than just lumped down together.
- The crud can be seen and siphoned out during a water change, in a way not easily possible before.
- Diatoms and cyano find it less easy to take hold on a bare bottom, especially with the increased water flow.
- The tank bottom gradually becomes encrusted with green and purple, becoming a bit less aesthetically challenging.

Discussion points for further rumination:
- With a bare-bottom tank, does the ability to siphon out the crud more easily then make old-tank syndrome [in which a mature tank seems not to thrive any more] less likely?
- Does the absence of coral sand on the tank's bottom affect - perhaps in the long-term - the tank's carbonate hardness and/or PH levels? [In the early days of marine tanks, it was commonly held that coral sand helped stabilise the tank's carbonate and PH levels. However, if the sand is mature, does each grain become so coated with organic matter - bacteria etc - that the sand doesn't function in that way?]


NB: My tank experience discussed above is for a fish + soft corals + RTB anemone reef. I have no lps or sps corals in the tank.

Your witty prose is a pleasure to read. With regard to the carbonate buffering and coral sand... it won't contribute a thing if the pH is above 7.0 or Ca reactors wouldn't need CO2 injection.
 
Thanks for the compliment; I just wish I could get more of a discussion going about the sand bed versus bare bottom approach. Tried over here in the UK without much success.

The history here has extensive discussions on the matter. Here are a few good ones from the searches I pulled up for you to review:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2268433

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1652103

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1190944

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2479211

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650985 (personal favorite)

There is a LOT more on the site here than just these. Search terms like "no sand" "barebottom" "DSB" etc will give you a lot of reading information.
 
The history here has extensive discussions on the matter. Here are a few good ones from the searches I pulled up for you to review.....

Many thanks for taking the trouble to do this; I've spent some time reading through these useful threads [one of the benefits of being retired].

It's seems clear that there's more experience of going bare-bottomed in North America than over here in the UK. We do have bare-bottom enthusiasts over here, but you appear to be further down the road, than us. And, if I'm reading these threads and posts right, it looks as if bare bottom aquarists are having positive experiences, and choosing to stay with sandless tanks?
 
I'm not sure I understand the question - sand or bottomless for .... (what effect)?

Are you asking if one is better for coral growth and health? or if one is more aesthetically pleasing? or creates greater biodiversity? is more natural? scratches plastic more easily?

I think you've posed an interesting problem - without what you want to solve for... ?

:)
 
I'm a "sandy" myself :)

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Nothing like a clean "bare bottom"! Best part, no nitrates! At least for me that is.

From a 29-Dec-15. I need to make an updated video. Be sure to watch in HD

 
Three of my older tanks had sand, one was a true DSB tank. I started a little desktop system to try a bare-bottom tank and found I love it. My primary system at home is bare after seeing I liked it, but the refugium has a few inches of sand in it. The fuge is slower flow and full of critters, the main display is faster flow in prep for SPS.

I would suggest trying bare, then if you don't like it after a few weeks (honestly, it might take 3-4 weeks to get used to the look, but I didn't mind it at all) it's much easier to add sand than to remove it. Adding sand is easy - a funnel and a length of PVC pipe is all it takes to control where it goes and avoid making a mess of your tank in the process.
 
I like a bare bottom tank over one with sand. Being bare opens up options for flow and allows you to siphon up the crud that would otherwise accumulate in the sand. Down side is there are a few animals you can not keep. Looks is purely a personal preference. Bare bottom tanks loose the sterol look after a few months and a few non encrusting corals.
 
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