Beginner's guide to Live Rock

Hi Reefdiver

Oh, where is my bad girl ANN? :wildone:

ANN is the acronym for Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate. One of the things about a cycle is that every one of those three compounds will probably be present in some amount. The questions is when and how much?

Ammonia is the first to appear. It is formed by the decay of nitrogen compounds such as protein. Within about a week or so a group of bacteria that feast on ammonia appear and convert it to nitrite. Shortly thereafter, another group of bacteria consume the nitrite and change it to nitrate. We have:

NH3 converts to NO2 converts to NO3

In most cases this is all happening at once. Usually when LR is removed from the ocean and shipped there is much die-off and ammonia production overwhelms nitrite/nitrate production. It is not that the bacteria that produce nitrite and nitrate are not there. It is just they are slow growing and take some time to catch up to the increased ammonia production.

In some cases either the die-off is not so severe or the nitrite/nitrate bacteria have had time to meet the ammonia demand. In that case ammonia is "eaten" almost immediately, converted to nitrite/nitrate, and shows up close to zero in a test. This is not bad, in fact it is good. I think this is the case with your Haitian Rock.

Your next step is to get the coralline back into shape on the rock. Provide proper lighting and adjust pH, alkalinity and calcium levels. See Doc Randy's Chemistry Articles on methods to do that.

So, don't worry about the absence of ammonia and let nature take it's course. Soon your sand bed should also help in the last part of the nitrogen cycle by converting nitrate into nitrogen gas.
 
Thanks for the reply. Due to all the rotting sponges, tunicates, etc, I expected a spike in the ammonia. Would it help if I added some "live sand" from my LFS to my aragonite sand in order to seed the sand bed? I know this won't help with the curing, but will this help to seed my sandbed?
TIA
 
Reefdiver,

Get all the good quality LS you can to seed that bed. I like to get it from several sources to add to the bed diversity. Pour it on top of the "Dead Sand" bed and then take a round, non-metallic, object and poke it into the bed every couple of inches.

This will surely help get the bed up to speed as a de-nitrification tool and adds critters like copepods, micro-stars and worms into the tank. Depending on the way the LR is pre-cured they may or may not be hitchhikers on the LR. Using a seed LS will make sure they are there.

Note to all-- this thread was a "sticky when it first came out. The problem always is how many sticky's can we have at the start of the Forum? If we load it down the entire first page would be nothing but sticky's and new posts would be buried. To avoid that we include many of these popular threads, including this one, in the sticky Please look here before posting at the top of the Newbie page.
:wave:

Heck, one of these days one of my posts may be included in that thread. :D
 
Could I buy a couple pieces of un-cured LR to my new 29 gallon to cycle it? Or would I need more? Would skimming take care of the goop stuf?
 
It doesn't take a ton of smelly rock to cycle a tank. Even a little bit of fully cured rock will get things going in most cases in under 2 weeks. It is the nitrifying bacteria you want and they are present on any amount of LR. It just takes them awhile to grow to sufficient numbers to handle the load. As is the case with any autotrophic bacteria they tend to be very slow at growing and reproducing.
 
my question... Say I go to the ocean (its accually the red sea), find something with alot of life on it. alge....all of that. I keep it in water for the 20min ride home. Can I toss it into my tank. My tank is in the final days of the cycle. (I hope) It is hosting 2 snails and 1 starfish right now. I just want something that is planted with the good stuff and just see what happens with it.
 
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Assuming you don't mind whatever hitch hikers you're gonna get, after the 20-minute ride home I'd acclimate the rock like any other livestock. I think the 20-minute ride in water would be fine.
 
I don't see a problem either with harvesting your own LR. It will have much more on it than rock that is shipped. I would keep it somewhat isolated for a day or so in a bare tank. That way you can observe it for unwanted hitchhikers like Mantis shrimp. There should be no cure involved unless some sponges die off from air exposure. Again a couple of days in a bucket will tell you if that has happened. Your nose is the test kit in this case. ;)
 
that is exactly what we done. The rock that I got off of the shore stayed pretty "dead" but the rock I walked into the water and got with a little life on it...wow is it devoloping beyone belief. (im new, so this stuff is so awesome to me) I was thinking the other day to redo it all before the tank really started to devolop but I think we will just keep it the way it is, and go from there with it. It is really awesome though.
 
I started a 10 Gal tank about a month ago. I Started it with 10lbs. of Live Rock and 2 inches of Sand in it. After about 2 weeks i put 2 Hermitt Crabs along with 2 Mexican Turbo Snails into the tank, to keep everything clean
Well the water quality is good. The pH is 8.2, Nitrite is 0, Nitrate is 2, Ammonia 0.
My question is: My Tonga Branch live rock had these white sections on it and i tried to brush it of but it was very hard and it wouldn't come off. I thought that the cycling of the tank would remove it but it is still there. It has changed, some of it is turning brown & some of it has holes that are starting to form through it. But i am not sure if it is a good thing. I wanted to know if i should take it out of my tank and brake those sections off or just let it go? I will post some pics when i figure out how to.
 
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Thanks for a great post. I'm just about a week away from Rockin, so the timing was great.

RC and the whole RC community ROCK!
 
Hi Wfm,

Apparently some of the LR suffered some damage during shipping and curing. The white sections are areas of coralline that have bleach out. As coralline has a calcium structure that is what remains after it dies. Not to worry however, the bleached sections do no harm and new growth will cover it in a month or two.
 
a quick question after reading all 7 pages.

might sound like a retarded question but...
For scrubbing LR, can I rinse it off under regular tap water, or do I need to do it in saltwater?
 
To recap or add:

From my newbie experience in the past week I made the mistake of getting a few damsels before my live rock (i was unsure if i wanted that much live rock in my tank).

I ended up buying 88lbs of Kaelini LR and decided on letting it cure in my live tank. My 2 damsels died within 2-3 days.

As for skimming, you definately want to do that. I had a MASSIVE amount of brown ugly gunk accumalate in my skimmer overflow container. YUCK. It also gave off a awful odor that is slowly going away.

I currently have 2 aquaclear 70 poweheads in the tank, a heater, wet/dry with protein skimmer and a powercompact running.

I'm going to check the nitrite and nitrates at the end of this week and do a water change a few days after that.

One mistake I might have done was using tap water :( .

I'll get a pic up for you guys soon to check out.

I only WISH someone directed me to this thread before i started this whole adventure!! keep up the good info guys.
 
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