Bio-Balls

ffmd21

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I have a question about Bio-Balls in my filter. I have come across a few post that were dealing with other topics that mentioned getting rid of the bio balls in the filters. What is the reason for this and what do you replace them with? I have had my filter running since Feb 4, if I replace the bio balls will I be starting over so to speak?

Thanks!!
 
your primary filtration is from bacteria living in the substrate and live rock, which are regularly cleaned of detritus if you have a decent clean up crew of worms, snails, etc. When your tank cycled, it built a multi-tiered population of bacteria that process ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. The same bacteria are probably living in your bio-balls by now - which is exactly what they're for. However, since the bioballs never get cleaned like the sand and rock in your tank, the detritus builds to a point where the resulting nitrates are more than the system can easily handle, and you'll likely end up with climbing nitrate levels down the road. That was my experience, and apparently that of many others. What I did was to gradually remove the balls over about a month's time to allow the bacteria populations elsewhere to pick up the slack. As far as replacement, you can turn that section of your sump into a small refugium with a bit of sand and rock of its own, and allow detrivores to live in there as well. It will extend your filtration capacity, and possibly dampen some of the splash noise. You'll need to do some baffling to prevent the sand, etc. getting sucked into your main pump and/or skimmer. hth
 
Here is my setup and what Im doing with it. Where the yellow arrow is pointing, under the eggcrate that the bioballs are on, I added LR rubble. Each week, I take out a few handfulls of the balls. Once the balls are out, Im leaving the sponge between the rock and the return pump, and Im getting a filter sock. Hope this helps some.

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do you have live rock? Live rock should be the filter in a reef tank. If you're just doing fish only then what you have is fine, but it can cause problems in a reef. So if you ever have any intentions of doing a reef tank (with corals and/or inverts) get at least 1 pound of live rock per gallon of water.

But you dont want bioballs or any of those other filter medias that can go into canisters and/or hang on filters because they all will make nitrates go very high. My canister made the nitrates go over 100 in less than 4 days while i was out of town. I dont know how i didnt lose any corals or inverts lol.

Live rock does not have this problem, because unlike bioballs or other medias, it grows the bacteria that breaks down nitrates. Bioballs cannot get that bacteria, therefore there's nothing to break it down into gas like live rock does. So they just build up.

If you dont have live rock, but plan to do corals later, you pretty much would have to "restart." That is unless you get cured live rock. Cured rock is rock that is already cycled and you could have the tank ready in a week or so. Or in your case what i'd do is get a bit of cured rock, add it, wait a week or 2, add a bit more, etc...just keep doing that till you get up to at least 50 lbs of rock. Then SLOWLY take out the bioballs...like maybe a handful a week till they're gone.

hope this helps :) Any other questions, feel free to ask :)
 
Bio-balls don't have the denitrifying bacteria that consume the nitrates. This bacteria needs anaerobic zones like in LR or DSB's to thrive. Bioballs have no anaerobic zones so there is no denitrification occuring, thus a build up of nitrates is inevitable. When I used to use bioballs they never got dirty, thats just my experience.

To replace them, just use LR but make sure that its under water at all times. Don't put the LR in the trickle zone of the filter or else no denitrification will occur.
 
I have 65 lbs of live rock in the tank. My tank has only been running since Feb 4 so couls I go ahead and remove all of the bio balls now? Seems to me they have not had time to build up any benefical bacteria yet or have they?
 
I don't really want to piggyback off this thread, sorry if I do. If the main tank has enough live rock and a DSB, then is a sump even necessary?

I mean, if filter medias and bioballs are bad...then adding a sump would just make for a *bigger* tank (total volume), which I know is great...but why not just opt for a bigger main tank and tons of LR?
 
A sump IMO is a great thing to have to put all your equipment, good skimmers, you can make it sump/refugium to have micro algea to help export nutrients. Plus more water volume, the bigger the volume the more stable, less chemistry swings, I'm sure there are more benefits. I wish I have a sump :). Next time I upgrade with be an RR tank.
 
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Well, I sure have learned alot, all of which makes perfect sense. I have used bio filtration for years in an outdoor water garden. So I can now see why these bio balls will not provided much benefit. Can not believe I did not think of this before. Now I what to add some macro algea to my sump to replace the bio balls, so what would be a good type to use, and how would I add it. Also I would think it would need some sort of a substrate to grow in, maybe some fine live sand? Any ideas as to what every one us is doing would be great!!!

I am providing a pic of my filter for reference.

Thanks
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is there a benefit to putting live rock in the sump area in replace of the bioballs or is it just the same to add live rock to the display?
 
Chaeto is a great algae to put in a sump or fuge. It doesn't root and does not seed so the only way it can get in your main tank is for a piece to get sucked through the pump. But once it's in there all you have to do to remove it is take it out.
 
From what i am learning, that we should completly get rid of the bio balls, and replace with rock either in the sump or the tank or both. I am going to put some rock in my sump as well as add some more to my tank.
 
The more rock the better alot of people including myself use rock and sand in their sumps either in the drain section (as long the rock is always under water) to help break up bubbles or in the refuge section. I only have it in my refuge section along with about 3-4" of sand. I also have a ball of chaeto growing in my refuge which really helps with excess nutrients.

floridagator: The main reason I added live rock to the sump was for additional space for "pods" to breed and live. If you have enough live rock in the display it isn't absolutely necessary for rock in the sump.
 
I ran a reef tank for over a year with a wet dry filter, I had bio balls in it since day 1. Then I built a sump with a 55 gal tank and made the switch all in 1 day and my tank didnt suffer 1 bit. As long as you have enough cured live rock in the tank you will be fine. Everyone told me to do it slowly, I didnt have time for that, so I took my chance and didnt lose anything.
 
I think that the rock will be fine without light. I have heard of people using live rock rubble in canister filters instead of bioballs and there is no light in there. But you can setup a light in the sump to keep chaeto alive for around 10$. Buy a clip on light fixture (5-10$) and a light bulb aroud 6000K range (3-6$) all found at Walmart and you have your light that will help keep chaeto and still keep stuff growing on your rock.
 
Live rock in darkness will simply support a different variety of life in it than live rock near your lights will. There's lots of rock on a reef that never sees the light of day, yet there's not a square centimeter of surface on a reef that's not inhabitted by something.
 
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