Biofilm reactor

Whalehead9

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I caught mention of a biofilm reactor using glass beads to grow algae that could be used to feed a system. How is this supposed to work? How do you liberate the glass beads of algae? how do we know if it is enough food for our organisms?
 
I've not heard of a glass beads bio-film reactor, but I use the Zeovit system which is a zeolith bio-film reactor. The stones are shaken once or twice a day to release the film, which is bacterial, not algal. My corals, both NPC and PC seem to profit, but I am unsure which factor from the entire system is helping the most. The bio-film seems to feed many of the finer gorgonians, which are actually growing since I started with the reactor.

Additionally, I use Coral Snow, Sponge Power, Fauna Clam, Fauna Sea Fan, Timo 1 and Timo 3 as powdered foods. These are alternately mixed with the Coral Snow and dosed with a syringe into the current.

Zeolith reaktors are an interesting tool for maintaining a balanced aquarium. They operate on the principle of collecting the ammonias in the water into the zeolith, where it serves as a food source for nitrosomas bacteria. This increases the efficiency of biological filtration.

One of the best items I have is my refugium, which overflows into the main reef. A great deal of micro food is produced and continuously feed into the reef. Naturally, it is, also, a filter and takes up most of the phosphates.
 
Why does it have to be zeovit material that collects biofilms? Couldn't you used just about any type highly porous material to grow bacterial and then shake them to release the biofilm?

I guess that an algae reactor would work along the same type principle as your zeovit reactor and would be shaken or stirred to release the algal films.
 
The unique quality of zeoliths is their ability to bind preferentially certain molecules. The zeoliths used for these filters preferentially bind ammonia, which then becomes a food source for the bacteria. Any porous vehicle will trap various debris, but not specifically. I have used siporax (sp?), which collects anything organic or inorganic and certainly provides a bacterial breeding ground. Zeoliths are simply a more refined method. The idea is to reach maximal efficiency in a chosen parameter.
 
couldn't you then run multiple reactors alongside the zeovit reactor to grow multiple strains of bacteria? I understand the methodology of the zeovit system, but I am more interested in a food delivery system that is less reliant on large amount of commercial type foods.
 
I hear ya! I've never managed to reach that point and am not sure it would be possible in a practical sense. That is why I use a refugium of such a large size in comparison with the tank. 300l to 600l. It certainly helps, but i could maximize it, if i worked a bit more in that direction, In the end, I like to play and enjoy my hobby. I'm not driven to find the answers, I prefer to play about and discover. I find I understand more this way.
 
Greetings All !


What's up, Jamie? ... :D


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11995943#post11995943 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kolognekoral
I've not heard of a glass beads bio-film reactor, ...
Sure you have ... they're called rapid sand, and fluidized bed filters.


Hehe ... ;) :rollface:
 
Charles Matthews here.

I am working on a PE bead mechanism for producing food. I am using 3 cu. ft. of PE beads which are positively bouyant and made for bead filters, and turned over by a linear air pump lift. The beads are in an acrylic case and are illuminated. They automatically slough off algal film as they turn.

There is much to say about this. If you are seriously interested in working on these types of systems with me , please PM. I do't have any results to report yet.
 
Have you actually tried to look at these film under a microscope to see what kind of algae is colonizing the beads? What other kind of stuff is feeding on them?
 
Not yet!

The beads I am using from aquatic eco-systems are only semi translucent. It's hard to get enough light in there. If I had the space, I would set the beads up in a 55 gallon outside in direct sunlight, and plumb it back to the house. Even with low light, however, I would expect some diatoms.

Another system I am working with is simply a 55 gallon with two strip lights, no substrate. I keep the lights on all the time, and will dose nutients like a plant tank. It has a slight green tinge, and pH is holding at 8.4 c/w photosynthesis. I am wondering how my Dendronephthya clones will do in this simple system. This also relies on liberated algal films (although there is little growth on the sides, almost all the growth is "greenwater" at this point).

Here's an interesting question to me. Unskimmed systems with substrate have failed to keep Dendronephthya before (Tyree's systems, Leng Sy's, plenums, etc)- I have specifically talked to people who have tried Dendronephthyaand failed here. Yet, in these systems the nutrients don't go so low as to be limiting for phytoplankton growth (in general, perhaps some rare exceptions- and in any event, there have been failures when the nutrients were documented to be still clearly not limiting for phytoplankton growth). So, what's limiting phytoplankton production in unskimmed systems? Why don't these tanks always turn into greenwater? I think the answer is complex, but basically I think the sand bed outcompetes the pelagic phytoplankton, partly by advecting and adsorbing particles on surfaces, and partly by allelopathic interactions. This is of course a guess... But, again, the limits to increased primary production on our tanks (specifically phytoplankton) may be due to our use of substrates. It will be very interesting to see what happens simply when a glass box is fertilized and illuminated. I've done this in the past, but did not control the nutrient levels carefully.
 
Dendronephthya aquaculture beginnings

Dendronephthya aquaculture beginnings

Hello everyone!

I've been exploring conditions for growout of Dendronephthya frags. Specifically, I wanted to concentrate on how to clone and grow out Dendronephthya because Scleronephthya clearly requires different conditions for optimum culture (larger particles and clearly at least some and perhaps all zooplankton and lots of it). So, the optimum aquaculture conditions of Scleronephthya, Nephthyigorgia and related "larger polyped" NPS organisms should be a different thread. That is, this is a "small polyped" aquaculture thread for Dendronephthya.

The first thing I want to report is that Dendronephthya frag easily. It's important to select a branchlet of about 25 polyps with a good firm base. The base diameter is important because Dendronephthya will "autofrag" by collapsing strongly and autoamputating these branchlet clones. Branchlet cloning is one of their natural reproductive methods and it is helpful to take advantage of this. However, if you don't choose the base carefully, it will go on to autoamputate further. With practice, you'll learn how to choose the best branchlets.

Another question is when to frag. Since Dendronephthya will typically start autofragging as soon as they arrive in a new setting as a stress response, it's an interesting question as to whether such immediate branchlet amputation behavior is as good for the parent colony as it is for the survival of the clonal line. I think that it is; that is, I think fragging a Dendroenphthya on arrival is good for the parent colony. This is a matter of experience, and an opinion rather than any controlled studies. In my opinion, it is a good idea to begin fragging any Dendronephthya on arrival using proper branchlet selection. The worse it looks, the more it should be fragged.

Attachment is another issue where I think there is progress already. They attach readily to any smooth surface such an undefended PVC. They do not accept cyanoacrylate. I have had best success by using the PVC coral plugs that fit into egg crate. (By the way, they only fit into the white eggcrate, not the black). I use the small rubber bands to hold them onto the cup, place them in a quiet area, and they will attach within three days or so. I leave the rubber bands to dissolve in place.

Regarding orientation of clones, there is one scientific paper that noted much better survival of clone recruits on vertical rather than horizontal surfaces. Chuck Stottlemire has called this observation into doubt (pers. communication), suggesting that at proper flow orientation doesn't matter. However, I suspect it does matter. Something to look at over time. I prefer to grow out frags by hanging the eggcrate vertically, or placing it at a strong slant in the tank.

We need a simple, optimal system for growing out clones. I have started an experiment recently on an extremely simple system and I hope some others will follow along and try this yourself so we will have more than one site to collaborate on. The description of the system follows:

I am using a 55 gallon aquarium, no substrate, glass covers across all but one inch of the top and two flourescent strip lights (one four foot and one three foot bulb- it's what I had). Water movement is with a single Koralle prop pump (largest one) placed at one end. I used water from the main system, which already has NSW values for silicate, 10 ppm nitrate, and 2 ppm phosphate, pH 8.3. I left the strip lights on continuously. The next weekend I measured pH 8.4 consistent with photosynthesis, and a very light growth on the glass sides and in the water. I scrubbed the film off into the water column, and have continued to do so regularly. Since the nitrates did not fall over one week, I added a few drops of Kent's Iron (also has molybdenum) and, a few days later, a few drops of Florida MicroAlgae Grow (a general microalgae inorganic fertilizer) and mounted one Dendronephthya frag of 25 polyps which had previously attached in the main system. The frag is mounted on eggcrate with a PVC coral cup holder and a rubber band, and has a good base. I placed the rack at a slant close to the pump. (I have found that Dendronephthya particularly like the intake rather than the outflow of any pump, even a prop pump, as the flow pattern is very laminar in this area).

This propatation tank is fairly clear looking though the tank, but has easily noticeable green turbidity looking down the long end. In my experience, this visible green tinge on the long axis of a 4 foot tank is an adequate cell count for growing Dendronephthya, and an easy way to estimate food density.

There is no heater or any other device on this tank. I believe the glass cover for carbon retention, and the continuous but modest amount of light, are both helpful (higher amounts of light in the past lead to pH instability and aggressive growth/crash cycles of phytoplankton). I am happy with a pH of 8.4 indicating a tilt toward photosynthesis. Also, I suspect that the lack of substrate is necessary to maintain a continuous phytoplankton bloom under relatively low nutrient conditions; it's easy to get greenwater under higher nutrient conditions but this is typically a pest species such as a pelagic cyanobacteria that may grow aggressively and let off allelopathins. There is much to understand about why sand bed unskimmed systems have failed to keep Dendronephthya before- and why Tyree's system couldn't keep them- more on this later).

There is a slight slick on the surface which I intend to leave as a possible food source for the frags.

This clone seems to go through an inflation/deflation cycle about every hour or so, much more rapid than the larger specimens in the main tank. Polyp extension is excellent, and the attachment site appears to have thickened to me. In any event, it certainly has not regressed.

A few days ago, I was doing my daily polyp count when I noted a dark spot at the base of the closest polyp (which as a previously single polyp was itself projecting directly out from the base), suggestive of a new polyp formation. This is a process I have watched for hours, dozens of times, under various lenses and boom stereomicroscopy, so I am familiar with it. It can be difficult to tell whether it is a new polyp, or just a small one that wasn't previously expanded. However, I watched this spot come together over the last two days, using a hand lens. Tonight I got up to look again (I know, this is not normal human behavior) and noted the first appearance of the new polyp.

I believe this clone is adding polyps, signalling (if this bears out) that it is probably in positive caloric balance. If this success continues over the next few weeks, I will move more clones into the system.

Of course the long term stability of this simple system remains an open question. What nutrient fertilization regime allows optimum growth and prevention of pest algae species? Is the available pigment spectrum adequate for coloration, and if not, what are the physical parameters within which a gradient of pigments would be elaborated (i.e. is the depth of the tank important in generating a light gradient which causes a phytoplankton gradient on the glass walls of the tank?). Will zooplankton type feeding be needed for growth at some point, or will microaggregates and the populations on the surface slick be adequate? (If anything other than inorganic fertilizer needed to be added, it would really mean the simple growout system wouldn't be practical).

I hope some others of you will join me in setting up these experimental simple Dendronephthya aquaculture systems. You can do controlled trials in as little as ten gallons, using the smallest prop pumps. Multiple sites will be helpful in getting the Dendronephthya aquaculture effort going, and we can begin to exchange not only information but also frags. (The optimum way to ship frags is something we should explore- at least some species have some intertidal survivability, so they may be able to be shipped by the "dry method"- I haven't tried it yet).

I'd also like to make a prediction. Within three years, there will be an explosion of interest in these "orchids of the sea" and a new type of aquarist will begin keeping optimized Dendronephthya-only aquariums, exchanging exciting clone variants, and selecting clones for traits. This will grow directly out of what we do here on this site. All of you participating in the NPS forum should look forward to the day when your efforts pay off like this. Come on, get out your old used tanks, and start an experimental Dendronephthya aquaculture site!
 
Charles, Any chance in you posting some pictures of your clones and your systems. I'd really love to see what your doing.
Thanks
Erik Kreeger
 
Hi Eric,

I wish I was capable of doing photography. I know it's simple now, but I don't have time to do it.

I have a friend, Tran Song, who is here in town and is a professional photographer. He is interested in NPS corals. He has offered to help do this in a professional manner, video and still shots. So, I hope in the next month or so I will be set up to do some regular photo posting. No question, photo documentation would be a major help here.

An update on my 55 gallon simple system- I am counting polyp formation on a D. hemprichi clone hillock. The polyp count has increased now from 6 to 8 polyps. After the initial fertilization with inorganic nutrients, there was a slight bloom of phytoplankton, then the water started looking too clear, in spite of nitrates remaining unchanged (10PPM). Addition of white vinegar at 3 ml produced a bacterial bloom quickly followed by a greenish/brown phytoplankton bloom. I've added some additional doses of vinegar. At this point, it is difficult to see the pump from the end of the tank due to the cloudiness, and there is mild to moderate cloudiness visible from front to back (this is the best way I know of estimating turbidity easily). pH is now 8.6 indicating a strong tilt toward phosopynthesis, I have not turned off the lights or introduced a photoperiod, and there has not been a negative reaction from these conditions. The clone is expanded probably 80% of the time.

The subject of maintaining continuous primary production of phtyoplankton is a very interesting one to me. I've done lots of trials in this areaa over the years. If the water gets too green, it's probably a cyanobacteria, and in general I've found that the water is not well tolerated once these organisms predominate. Also, high organic loads tend to evolve to a monoculture of marine Euglena. Again, the water isn't too well accepted by organisms we want to culture. So far, this method is working- perhaps because the nutrients are stable/low, there is no nitrogen deficiency which favors nitrogen-fixing cyanobacteria, and there is good water movement, which probably is poorly tolerated by Euglena. The whole subject of primary production in open waters, with bacteria and phytoplankton and who knows what else, is going to be a very complicated one. I hope this method will be a useful start. If others want to try clones in small tanks, I encourage you, and feel free contacting me if I can be of assistance.
 
I'm experiencing a small cyano bacteria outbreak. I'm doing a system on the lines of chucks, but not as much feeding of shellfish or roti feast.
I dose 10 ml of vodka per day which I've stopped since the cyano outbreak.
What would you suggest in helping me rid the tank of cyano?
Erik
 
Erik,

I solved a cyano outbreak using Pohl's Coral Snow mixed with Zeobak at a rate of 1ml Snow+ 1 drop Zeobak pro 100 liters daily for about 10 days. I do not know why this works, but it did for me and many others that have tried it. It may be that it removes the cyanos nutrient source at such a rate it is out competed.....or something else. No idea, but worth the try. My filter feeders love the Snow in any case.
 
Wow, a lot of great information in here.

You guys are quite a ways beyond me in your husbandry techniques and understanding of NPS and I admire what you are trying to do here.

Being a chemist by training (although I've never done anything remotely science related since I graduated college [I was an Infantry Officer in the Army and now I work as a manager for Amazon.com]), I've been drawn to understanding the scientific principles at work in our aquariums.

I'm extremely excited about the recent success people are beginning to have with NPS corals. This field just seems like one where novice aquarists can make major breakthroughs in husbandry techniques. Not to be a complete nerd, but this is really exciting to me!!

Anyways, keep up the updates and information flow. I just hope that time and money will allow me to one day start to dabble with NPS systems and maybe I can contribute to the understanding of the community as a whole.
 
Victor, I am with you on the 'excitement' front. This really gets the brain cells rushing. I don't think I've had as much fun with my aquarium as I currently am. A whole new window is opening up.

P:S: refreshing interests you have
 
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