bioglass

shabreeson

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I know you guys don't like bio balls but I was wondering what your view on bioglass was. I am planning on using bio glass in my sump because the add says that it uses natural, high temperature fused silicate. from my understanding that means that they use skeletons from microscopic diatoms for them. needless to say it sounds like an awful lot of surface area. and i think that it would be far more convenient than fitting small pieces of LR in. I am also putting plenty of Lr in my refugium as well as the bioglass
 
I find that the problem with the whole gathering of nitrates arguement is that doesn't any neutral media do that? Like in a previous forum they were against biobals gathering nitrates, but implied that large amounts of charcoal were just fine. wouldn't charcoal gather nitrates just like anything else once it's lost it's ability to gather chemicals? then both the charcoal and the bioglass are chemically neutral

and I am hoping for a bit more explanation for this than "Bioglass Problems = BioBawls' Problems"
 
and even if the charcoal was fresh, it doesn't obsorb nitrates, so it would just collect them like anything else

the same problem is said about ug filters yet is not a good amount of beneficial bacteria in the sand bed itself?

things are just not adding up with this theory for me
 
Apparently:

The problem with bioballs, and one would assume bioglass, is that it is very efficient at turning ammonia into nitrite, and nitrite into nitrate, but stops there. Live rock takes it a step further and converts some of the nitrate into nitrogen. Live rock has anoxic areas deep inside of it where these bacteria can live and do their job, while bioballs, and bioglass, do not.
 
I think you're a bit confused. Bioballs, or other neutral media, do not "gather" nitrates. They simply provide areas for nitrate to be produced. As I see it, there are two reasons why bioballs are both unneeded and unwanted. To understand these reasons you must first recognize what bioballs do. All they do is provide extra surface area for aerobic bacteria to grow. Aerobic bacteria converts ammonia to nitrite to nitrate. The reasons we don't need/want them in our reef systems are:

1. We don't need them because most any setup system has far more than enough surface area for sufficient aerobic nitrification. The only way you'd possibly need something extra beyond the liverock, sand, and other surfaces on the typical system is if you had a huge fishload. I could only see the most awful setups where the person crams so many fish without regard actually needing bioballs.

2. We don't want bioballs in reef systems because they lack one major component, anaerobic denitrification. They do not have areas of low oxygen where nitrate can be converted to nitrogen gas. It has been observed that anaerobic denitrification occurs most efficiently right next to zones of aerobic nitrification. So the net effect is that a tank with only live rock (which has areas for nitrification and denitrification) will not have the nitrate problem of a tank with live rock and bioballs.

Bioballs are not alone in this. Most mechanical filtration (sponges, floss, etc) can provide places for excess nitrate production. I don't really know about whether carbon does this, but I suspect that it does not suffer from the problem nearly as much as bioballs and mechanical filters. This is primarily a guess on my part. Seeing as how carbon has many beneficial properties (compared with none in bioballs), I don't think it is worth second guessing using it. Also, from experience in running carbon, I have not seen any problems with it elevating nitrate.
 
anin, well said. From my understanding there is nothing intrinsic to carbon that creates nitrates. The problem with carbon is that, with any enhanced surface area, it is collecting particles from the water- mainly detritus. Actually, the problem is probably more the filter media that carbon used in it. If left in too long, there is the possiblity of elevated nitrates.

Unfortunately, we can't "free suspend" carbon in an isolated area of the system. That's why most seasoned reefers I've encountered only use it for a finite time period- dropping a small bag in the sump to clear up the water- either randomly, to lower phosphates(or attempt to), or after a particular event- like corals sloughin off.

It is my understanding that diatoms and other forms of nuisance algae can feed off silicates. If I'm correct in this than I can hardly see how that bioglass could be advantageous.
 
ok you all have given me great info. but I have another idea, instead of bioglass I could just buy a bunch of lace rock, mash it with a hammer till I get pieces about 1 to 1.5 inces in diameter, get the same gathering of particles effect except it would gather beneficial bacteria just like the LR.

what are your thoughts?
 
Nope...I think you are going in the wrong direction..:p

Shoot me a pm if you get a chance. I think I can give you some insight as I'm in the midst of settting up a new SPS system..;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10971677#post10971677 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by shabreeson
ok you all have given me great info. but I have another idea, instead of bioglass I could just buy a bunch of lace rock, mash it with a hammer till I get pieces about 1 to 1.5 inces in diameter, get the same gathering of particles effect except it would gather beneficial bacteria just like the LR.

what are your thoughts?

Its too small to have anoxic areas, which are needed to break down nitrate into nitrogen.
 
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