Blue Gigantea Ciprofloxacin Treatment

The ones I've treated haven't bleached. I think that like humans, every animal tolerates differently.

To me, it seems as though they bleach due to 4 reasons.

1. Infection

2. Antibiotics

3. Water quality

4. Lighting


Assuming water quality, lighting and flow are fine (at least you can intervene and address those 3 variables), I think that if they are badly infected the odds aren't in favor of recovery.
I believe you are correct, that some tolerate antibiotic positively while others decline.
 
I have treated all my gigs. Meds don't bleach them. Water quality and light does.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I don't think we have conclusive evidence that meds DO NOT contribute to the bleaching of a nem. Granted, it could be that the meds have nothing to do with the dying zoox that the nem is expelling. I do believe that the infection and dead zoox are related somehow, I just don't know the correlation yet. Many gigs that don't make it expel a lot of dead zoox ("rat poop").

We don't know if the zoox is dying simply because it's not exposed to light during transport, or if the infection is killing the zoox. Either way, many nems that die are bleaching. I really don't think the poor water quality is killing zoox, unless you're talking about during transport when ammonia levels rise. Once they're in QT, since we change 100% of the water, I think water quality becomes a non-issue.

In terms of lighting, some people choose to blast the gigs in QT with light, others choose low light. Either way, the nem still expels zoox, so I'm not sure that we can blame light alone for bleaching.

The gigs that I recently treated did appear to bleach. One lived and the other died. Both nems were in the same tank, so the water quality and lighting was exactly the same. The only reason one would die and the other would live is the severity of the infection. However, to see both bleach leads me to think that the meds are somehow contributing.

Assuming water quality, lighting and flow are fine (at least you can intervene and address those 3 variables), I think that if they are badly infected the odds aren't in favor of recovery.
I believe you are correct, that some tolerate antibiotic positively while others decline.

I completely agree. It shows that while we've made positive strides with antibiotics, we have A LOT to learn. Unfortunately, this puzzle will take a long time to solve because we're dealing with so many variables that prevent conducting experiments in a controlled environment. No one in their right mind would intentionally infect their healthy nem for the sake of science, but that's what it would take to draw any conclusions based upon repeatable results.
 
I think the most logical reason for bleaching is the infection.

Depending on the serverity of the infection would probably be why some bleach more than others. Although, this is just me giving my dumb opinions.

Carry on..
 
Do you think shipping them weakens their immune system allowing bacteria to gain a foothold?

Could they sometimes have a viral infection and not bacterial?
 
I think the most logical reason for bleaching is the infection.

Depending on the serverity of the infection would probably be why some bleach more than others. Although, this is just me giving my dumb opinions.

Carry on..

I've seen enough, I've treated enough, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I stand by mine.

Everyone is allowed to believe their own opinions. D-Nak is too, he's a smart guy, and very experienced. :) I like the fact he doesn't believe everything he reads, I don't either. There is an exception to everything in salt water. I treated my older blues with no zoo purging (the second time), they were bleached when I got them (the first time). The last green I treated in March, captivity for a couple years, full color, no bleaching. Lots of deflating, but not bleached. Treated a few times also. Can they bleach from what goes on in TT? I think so, but I don't believe it's the meds alone, as I've watched them keep it through treatment, more than once. I made my LED lights, so I was able to use the same lights they were under for some time, they didn't need to acclimate to light. THAT is why I think it's lights and water, most of the time. There's an exception to everything. I have yet to see someone treat a nem from their DT go into their TT and use the same lights, like I have. Like I said, I believe if it was meds, it would happen every time. Jared, I think you are one of the few too, that have treated, going from DT to TT also, and see no bleaching. When we treat, they're usually new, and stressed, otherwise we wouldn't be treating them. There are too many factors that contribute to it. I still don't believe it's the meds alone that cause bleaching, otherwise it would happen every time. But it's not meds alone. I've watched, as you have, them keep their color through treatment. This is a great example of why I've decided not to spend all my time beating over the head every thread with my experiences, I don't feel like debating on why I've come to my conclusions. I have my gigs, that's all I really care about. If one wants to try what's worked for me, they are welcome to. No guarantee it will work, no matter what one tries, gigs are tough to acclimate, that's the hurdle so many try to get over and fail, and it's a longer hurdle than a month or two.

Years ago, everyone poo poo'd me for saying "they need light acclimation, they can't handle strong light out of the gate." No matter to me what anyone believes, all I can do is tell what I've done for success. Everyone's entitled to their own ways to figure it out for themselves. Believe what you want.

OP, I'm sorry for posting in your thread. Best of luck to you.
 
100% water change. No visible changes in health. Stable. Additional 250mg's of Ciprofloxacin. Considering increasing dosage, to 500mg.
 
I just treated three...no bleaching at all. Pics to prove it. look at my thread "every nem in my tank went down"

Mine love light when acclimating. Some just can't handle it for long periods of time. Not to mention, some that are sick with infection tolerate differently than others.

Here's a pic to prove it. Here are my two Magnifica frags. Both were doing well. They're in the middle of Tx and I running my full spec Reefbreeders Par38 on a on/off cycle which was extremely effective BTW. I accidently left it on for 8 hours. Two identical mags, same antibiotics, same water, both fully inflated, in same health, but one did not tolerate the light as well as the other. He has done this twice. I can say for sure that he doesn't tolerate light well when he's sick. Only 2 hours periods. A lot of my mags are like that. This is why I run different lighting schedules on the Apex.





I've seen enough, I've treated enough, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. I stand by mine.

Everyone is allowed to believe their own opinions. D-Nak is too, he's a smart guy, and very experienced. :) I like the fact he doesn't believe everything he reads, I don't either. There is an exception to everything in salt water. I treated my older blues with no zoo purging (the second time), they were bleached when I got them (the first time). The last green I treated in March, captivity for a couple years, full color, no bleaching. Lots of deflating, but not bleached. Treated a few times also. Can they bleach from what goes on in TT? I think so, but I don't believe it's the meds alone, as I've watched them keep it through treatment, more than once. I made my LED lights, so I was able to use the same lights they were under for some time, they didn't need to acclimate to light. THAT is why I think it's lights and water, most of the time. There's an exception to everything. I have yet to see someone treat a nem from their DT go into their TT and use the same lights, like I have. Like I said, I believe if it was meds, it would happen every time. Jared, I think you are one of the few too, that have treated, going from DT to TT also, and see no bleaching. When we treat, they're usually new, and stressed, otherwise we wouldn't be treating them. There are too many factors that contribute to it. I still don't believe it's the meds alone that cause bleaching, otherwise it would happen every time. But it's not meds alone. I've watched, as you have, them keep their color through treatment. This is a great example of why I've decided not to spend all my time beating over the head every thread with my experiences, I don't feel like debating on why I've come to my conclusions. I have my gigs, that's all I really care about. If one wants to try what's worked for me, they are welcome to. No guarantee it will work, no matter what one tries, gigs are tough to acclimate, that's the hurdle so many try to get over and fail, and it's a longer hurdle than a month or two.

Years ago, everyone poo poo'd me for saying "they need light acclimation, they can't handle strong light out of the gate." No matter to me what anyone believes, all I can do is tell what I've done for success. Everyone's entitled to their own ways to figure it out for themselves. Believe what you want.

OP, I'm sorry for posting in your thread. Best of luck to you.
 
100% water change. No visible changes in health. Stable. Additional 250mg's of Ciprofloxacin. Considering increasing dosage, to 500mg.

increase dosage.

how long has he been treated for now and only cipro right?

you using fresh or DT water?

which ever one you currrenly using....switch over to the other and increase dosage.
 
I just treated three...no bleaching at all. Pics to prove it. look at my thread "every nem in my tank went down"

Mine love light when acclimating. Some just can't handle it for long periods of time. Not to mention, some that are sick with infection tolerate differently than others.

Here's a pic to prove it. Here are my two Magnifica frags. Both were doing well. They're in the middle of Tx and I running my full spec Reefbreeders Par38 on a on/off cycle which was extremely effective BTW. I accidently left it on for 8 hours. Two identical mags, same antibiotics, same water, both fully inflated, in same health, but one did not tolerate the light as well as the other. He has done this twice. I can say for sure that he doesn't tolerate light well when he's sick. Only 2 hours periods. A lot of my mags are like that. This is why I run different lighting schedules on the Apex.

I get your point, but these are H.Magnifica, not S. Gigantea. It's like comparing apples and oranges, no?
 
I get your point, but these are H.Magnifica, not S. Gigantea. It's like comparing apples and oranges, no?

The pic I posted...yeah, H. Mag, but to me, they both require the same amount of lighting and act roughly the same under lighting. That's just been my own personal experience. I just treated 3 "S. Gigantea as I mentioned above though. The didn't bleach at all with the antibiotic treatment. I think a lot of them bleach when they get real sick. IMO...their body quits functioning adequately and the result is a bleached Gig.
 
D-Nak, :love1: I am so sorry. After I re-read my post, I sounded soooo not what I meant it as. I have learned a lot from your activity here, I'm not worthy to even test your water. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to disrespect you. Not what I was thinking at all, at the time I wrote it, going back it sounded awful. I won't even try to explain.

Somedude12, stable sounds good. Keep us updated please. :) I like your "fish shed". Thanks for the video.
 
increase dosage.

how long has he been treated for now and only cipro right?

you using fresh or DT water?

which ever one you currrenly using....switch over to the other and increase dosage.

Dipped, Saturday & Sunday. Has been 24/7 treatment, since Monday.

DT water.

100% water change, today, added 500mg of Ciprofloxacin.
 
Can you update with a pic. How's he doing. Today is day 7 of solid treatment right.?

How did he react with the 100% WC and dosage increase?

Keep us updated.
 
AM, appeared well. Returned home around 3pm, to find cloudy water & anemone expelling internals & detached foot. Completed 100% water change and another 500mg's of Ciprofloxacin. Anemone, continues to be sticky to touch, but deflated. Improved condition, since water change.
 
If ur using DT water switch to fresh or opposite.

Also, what do you have for flow and play with your light schedule.
 
Do you think shipping them weakens their immune system allowing bacteria to gain a foothold?

Could they sometimes have a viral infection and not bacterial?

I've always felt that since mags and gigs demand so much light that the lack of light during shipping from the ocean to holding facility to the store to us causes the zoo to die off. Then for whatever reason maybe stress or the darkness during shipping the nems don't expel the dead zoo which ends up rotting inside them causing an infection. Thats my theory anyways on why mags and gigs get so sick.
 
Last night, I relocated to the DT. When I arrived home this afternoon, I found great improvements over the day before. Very well inflated. Will post a video.
 
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