Blue Haddoni

[shred5]

I have been looking for a Blue Haddoni...
I found one online at a decent price but the pic was not to clear. It looked a little pastel to me like it was slightly bleached. So I asked if it was bleached and for another picture and they said no not bleached at all...


Well this is what I got..

I sent them a PM about the coral being bleached. They said Give it some time to recover from shipping. LOL like it a couple of hours it will regain it Zooxanthellae.

Just because a anemone has pigment does not mean it aint still bleached.

I have been in this hobby too long and should have known better and followed my gut on this..

I was not in the mood to take care of another bleached anemone... I have saved several before but really didn't want to have to do it with this one plus they rarely recover to their regional color.

Good thing is it is sticky still so it should eat just fine.

Just makes me angry when a place who sells livestock can not tell when something is bleached and still will not admit it.

If it was slightly bleached I would be ok but it looks like maybe right around the mouth it may still have a little zooxanthellae left. So it still has a chance.

So am I crazy and that anemone is not bleached and after 30 years in the hobby I still do not recognize a bleach anemone?

 

[JasonD]

Yea he looks bleached to me. Should recover though, pretty healthy looking.

 

[m0nkie]

that's bleached for sure.. but a month or two of feeding should bring it right back.

 

[shred5]

Yea I know he is bleached. I just hate when a vendor acts like I do not know what I am saying when they are the ones who do not know. How can you be a vendor and not know what a bleached anemone is. I do feel stupid because it looked partially bleached in the picture. I was ok with a little light but this guy is pretty much fully bleached. But they are supposedly one of the better places so I decided to trust them, my mistake..


Well tried to feed him last night he was still sticky but would not eat.
Also Looks like something was coming out of his mouth that was white last night. It was still there early today.. It does not look like mesenterial filaments.

He also is not attached very well.. I put him near a rock so he could have something to latch onto till he buried his foot in the sand but he is barely hanging on to the rock. I have a feeling trama to the foot is the cause to it's problems.

I have saved allot of anemones but I do not think this one will make it.

I think that is the biggest problem with the bigger anemones and the sticky ones like Gigantea and Haddoni... People do not know how to handle them.. They stick to everything including the bag so it is hard to touch them making it hard to remove the foot, not to mention they just do not want to let go...

 

[m0nkie]

maybe start the cipro treatment? shipping is hard on carpets. Even healthy ones. Haddoni react to cipro well.

 

[nemguy]

I agree if you treat him with cipro and give him good light and flow in a ten gallon tank with a cup with sand in it for his foot with regular water changes he should pull through once I started using meds on the nems it made my success rate go up by a lot with these guys! Hope it all works out well

 

[shred5]

I thought about it when I got it but it does not have a infection. I know the signs, it is just bleached.
It is fully inflated and stays that way. It is also very sticky.. It is attached well now and it seems to be eating. Just no signs of any zooxanthellae.
I always worry when a anemone is this bleached because sometime the zooxanthellae does not come back..
I have gigantea in the tank and have thought of transplant but I prefer no to try that if I do not have too..

 

[shred5]

Well he started a decline yesterday.. I had got him to eat some so I had some hope but just too bleached.

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Picture is yesterday,,, Today he is starting to rot, amazing how fast they can go..

Just not happy when I asked if he was bleached and was told not at all.. When I saw the picture I should have known better, I have been in the hobby a long time. It was just they had a good reputation so I trusted them.. Should have went with my gut.

 

[shred5]

Omg I sent them a message today and they still claim even in the latest picture this is not a bleached anemone. How do you explain to someone what bleached is that seems to refuse to understand...

Whats left in this anemone is the blue pigments. Bleached is when it looses most of all of its zooxanthellae which actually causes the brown color in a coral or anemone. This usually leaves the coral looking either white or pastel in color. White is when a coral looses it pigments and zooxanthellae. Zooxanthellae are the algae that produce food for the anemone and without them they can starve to death.

How do I describe it any better? He thinks because it is blue in color it is not bleached? frustrating.

 

[nemguy]

That's pretty frustrating tell him you're gunna write a bad review if he doesn't work with you


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[shred5]

I do not want to threaten the guy it is not me...
He should give me a refund because he sold me a anemone that was bleached and since I specifically asked him if it was and he said not at all.
I was ok if it was slightly bleached but this anemone is 100 percent bleached.
I would just like to educate him mainly so he does not do this too someone else..
This person really seems like a nice guy but he truly does not think this anemone is bleached because it has blue pigment. He is not just saying that to not have to refund my money and I truly believe that. I also think if he understood it he would refund my money because he would know he made a error.. Maybe I am naive?


There is pretty many advanced anemone keepers in this forum too and thought that I would have had more replies on it being bleached and describing a bleached anemone so I could link him here so he could learn the difference.

You know pictures of a healthy blue haddoni and pictures of what a bleached anemone looks like, that kind of stuff would help.

Anyway I really wanted to link him to this thread so he could learn.

 

[nemguy]

Well I'm in the process of getting a degree in marine science I'm focusing my study on sea anemones and their relation ship with clowns mostly on carpets and magnificas and by the pictures the nem was no doubt bleached it showed no signs of brown which is the color of zooxanthellae and once it looses its brown coloration/ it's zoos it's scientifically categorized as bleaching. Many believe that the color in the animals is the zoos but it is not its just pigmentation that has to do with the genetics of the animal. The anemone you shared pics of is what is accepted as a bleached specimen in the current marine science field.


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[shred5]

Well I'm in the process of getting a degree in marine science I'm focusing my study on sea anemones and their relation ship with clowns mostly on carpets and magnificas and by the pictures the nem was no doubt bleached it showed no signs of brown which is the color of zooxanthellae and once it looses its brown coloration/ it's zoos it's scientifically categorized as bleaching. Many believe that the color in the animals is the zoos but it is not its just pigmentation that has to do with the genetics of the animal. The anemone you shared pics of is what is accepted as a bleached specimen in the current marine science field.


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Exactly... Perfect.
Yea I have been in the reef hobby for over 30 years and have taken some marine biology classes so I am pretty experienced.. That said he does not know me so he does no know my experience level. He has no idea how well known in the hobby I have been..

Might be one reason I have had so few replies to this thread: Well Dave that guy should know a bleached anemone, why does he need us to tell him it is bleached.. LOL


If I were a newbie that came in here and said hey look at this pretty anemone I bought.
I would get 20 replies hey you know that is bleached right. I would be like but the store told me it is not bleached and the replies would be hey they lied to you.

Thank you for the reply..

 

[nemguy]

Yeah well they might not be experience enough to know I buy haddons carpets all the time and get send gigs so the knowledge on the sellers side is usually the problem


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[shred5]

Yeah well they might not be experience enough to know I buy haddons carpets all the time and get send gigs so the knowledge on the sellers side is usually the problem


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Yea that happens allot even more so with H. Malu and H. Crispa... Those two are sometimes hard to tell apart especially if stressed just from visual appearance..

 

[shred5]

This Gigantea was sold to me as a Haddoni and the guy swore up and down it was a haddoni. Anyway I knew different and is was almost totally bleached if not 100 percent so they gave it to me as a steal. They had 3 and I almost bought all 3, they had a nice blue pigment but no Zooxanthellae. Anyhow thought I might have a blue Gigantea and that is how he is now, not blue but very healthy.

 

[nemguy]

I would link him to this page so he can see multiple people say it's bleached it's a 100% fact that the anemone you received is bleached and you should either get a replacement or a refund it's their job so send you a healthy animal and that animal is not healthy and to ship it like that is even worse it's not helping the population it they are collected and killed because they cannot tell the difference between bleached and healthy


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[shred5]

I would link him to this page so he can see multiple people say it's bleached it's a 100% fact that the anemone you received is bleached and you should either get a replacement or a refund it's their job so send you a healthy animal and that animal is not healthy and to ship it like that is even worse it's not helping the population it they are collected and killed because they cannot tell the difference between bleached and healthy


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I am going to, I was just hoping for a few more replies. Where is Minh? thought he would at least reply.

I actually thought about doing a transplant from my Gigantea on this guy since he was still so sticky and seemed to eat. Way to late now.

 

[D-Nak]

You're not getting many replies because most of us feel that if we can't add value to the conversation, we don't want to waste people's time by reiterating what's already been said.

I can only point out the obvious: bleaching is lack of color. But unlike coral where for the most part bleaching means the coral is white and dead, anemones that are bleached can still be alive and have color of some sort. They lack their symbiotic zooxanthellae -- which is typically brown or green -- and is essential to keeping the nem alive. Without zooxanthellae, the nem will die.

Specifically with haddoni, the brown color is much less pronounced as with other nems, such as gigantea which have a brown base color and an accent color on the tips of the tentacles which is typically green, blue, brown or purple. Haddoni that are bleached appear to be somewhat transparent but still have color throughout their oral disc and tentacles (in contrast to gigs) which is typically red, purple, blue, green, or brown. Brown haddoni and gigs can appear white or transparent.

Your haddoni appears to be completely bleached in the photos. In the first photo it even appears to be transparent. You cannot see "through" a healthy haddoni, which has an ample amount of zooxanthellae.

I hope that helps!

 

[nemguy]

Well said!


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