Blue Tang Quarantine Help!

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My Blue Tang has ich:thumbdown

Currently she is small and in my 29g reef along with 2 ocearis clowns, a purple firefish, and a flame angel. I know this tank is small. My 125g is up and cycling and will be ready in 4 weeks for fish so my 29g will then be taken down.

The only fish in my 29g that appears to have ich is my Blue tang. For this reason I was thinking of setting up 2 quarantines. In one I will put the blue tang and flame angel and treat with Cupramine. In the other I will put the 2 clowns and the firefish and not treat them. Just use brand new water and monitor them for 4-6 weeks for signs of ich.

Is this a bad idea? Would it be smarter to just put them all in one quarantine and treat them all? I don't know how hard cupramine is on clowns and I really don't wanna lose my mated pair if they don't actually have ich.

Help Please!!!
 
Yeah I have read about both. I am a little more in favour of Cupramine myself and haven't really read anything bad about it. I also think it will be a bit easier than hypo but will require constant monioring nevertheless.
 
Even if your clownfish are not showing signs of Ich they can still be hosting the parasite. If it were me, I would use 1 QT tank and treat all fish. Cupramine is pretty mild on even sensitive fish, so personally I have always picked Cupramine over hypo.
Good Luck
 
You may want to double check, but I thought you shouldn't use copper on dwarf angles. As for Blue tangs, I assume you're referring to Hippo aka, Blue Regal, they can be ich magnets. Mine has had it from time to time. He usually seems to kick it without any treatment. But you should put him in QT with no rock or substrate for 8 weeks.
 
A good thread to check out -

Quoted from Stuart60611 -

"You have essentially two main choices here: (1) maintain optimal tank conditions and feed very healthy food frequently (such as vitamin enriched food or garlic to improve the fishs' immune system); or (2) remove the fish and treat them for crypt.

With respect to option 1, you will NEVER rid your fish of the parasite, and the best you can hope to achieve is a balance where the fish, although infected with the parasite, are able to cope with it. If you elect option 1, you can hope to achieve a balance with occassional spoting and abnormal behavior, incluidng flashing, darting, scratching, reduced activity, and reduced feeding. After dealing with the crypt parasite multiple times and observing it in many other systems, fish always show some signs of being infected. I almost always observe a noticeable increase in activity and feeding once fish are treated and the parasite is no longer affecting the fish. Fish can live in a controlled crypt infesation for many years.

Option 2 has three accepted treatment approaches -- all of which require the removal of the fish from the display and treatment in a hospital tank when one's display is a reef. There is NO treatment which you can apply in a reef tank which will eliminate the parasite. All treatments which can be applied to a reef tank at best will reduce the parasites' numbers (often only temporarilly), but they will not elimininate the crypt parasite. Only Hypo, copper (cupramine is prefered), and the tank transfer method work to eliminate the crypt parasite. Hypo works, but it is a very difficult treatment to do correctly because you have to constantly maintain your salinity in a very narrow range, or otherwise the treatment is ineffective. Likewise, when treating with hypo it can be difficult to maintain water quality (particullarly PH) which often requires many water changes during the treatment and correspondingly a high chance that salinity will not be correctly maintained as a result of the water changes. Many people fail at hypo because they have their salinity only slightly off the required level.

Conversely, cupramine is much easier to apply because it has a wide effective range and allows for quite a wide margin for error. Cupramine, despite rumors otherwise, is very safe to use on virtually all fish, including copper sensitive fish, like puffers, angels, and tangs, all which I have successfully treated with cupramine on multiple occassions. The main thing about cupramine is you have to ramp up to treatment strength very slowly and more slowly than the directions state on the bottle. Tank transfer method is also viable, but it requires mutliple tanks and a lot of work draining and refilling multiple tanks during a short period of time so if you go that direction clear your schedule for a bit.

For me, I just hate to watch my fish infected with crypt and do not enjoy them with less activity and engaging in abnormal behavior. Therefore, I always treat for crypt. Plus, I have to believe that fish overall have poorer health when they are dealing with the stress the crypt parasite causes. I cannot imagine that it is pleasant for the fish to have thousands of parasites crawling around their bodies feeding off the fish. I often see fish infeced with crypt suddenly dart into a cave or hide when the parasite causes them discomfort in attempt to get away from parasites biting them. Also, crypt can be a ticking time bomb in the sense that even if you can reach a balance where your fish can cope with the parasite, any major stressor, such as temperature or salinity change, can cause the parasite to get out of control eliminating this balance and kill your fish."
 
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angles dont take copper very well. i would do hyposalinity for all if u can.
 
Thanks for the fast replies!

I have decided to go with 1 quarantine and treat all of the fish with Cupramine at once. I checked on the flame angel and the articles I found said it will cause no ill effects. I will dose the copper slowly and see how the fish react and go from there.

Now one more question. Last night I put a double biowheel filter on my 29g display to get it seeded with bacteria. How long do I have to wait until it will be seeded enough to move the fish and filter to quarantine? Also should I use new water or is it better to use water from my display? And last question - what temp would you recomend running the QT at? My tank is currently at 78-79 degrees. Would 85 degrees be good? I have read this speeds up the life cycle of the parasite.

Thanks!
 
Sounds like a good plan. Make sure to bring your levels up slowly.
I would try to let the biowheel filter run on your 29 for 2-3weeks to aquire some beneficial bacteria. If the blue tang is in desperate need, then it might need to be sooner. I typically fill my QT tank with 50% display tank water, and 50% new salt water. Typically I don't let my QT tank get above around 81-82, so I wouldn't recommend temps above that from experience. But I have never tried running with a temp of around 85 so im not certain it wouldn't work.

Good Luck with you fish!
 
+1 on using 50% of tankwater.

SeaChem makes a product called stability. That seemed to work for me. But you'll need to keep an ammonia badge in the tank and saltwater ready to do water changes if it spikes. Otherwise it will probably take a month for the bio wheel to build up enough bacteria on its own.
 
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Alright ill run the qt at 80 then. My blue tang doesn't look too bad. I will wait for the biowheel to seed before adding it to the quarantine while watching the fish. If they need immediate attention I will move them over sooner.

Thanks alot Glenn and Enjoy!! You were huge helps! I will post a few times throughout the treatment and let ya know how it goes!

Nate
 
Follow Up

Follow Up

Alright as I said above I decided to treat with cupramine. I seeded a double biowheel filter on my 29g display and then moved it to my 20g quarantine. I ran the quarantine with the filter, a heater, a powerhead, and a bunch of PVC. I treated with the required dose for the full 14 days as stated in the instructions and ran the tank at 79 degrees. I did four 5 gallon waterchanges throughout the process making sure to maintain the copper content in the water.

All the fish made it! They are all looking healthier than ever and no ich to be seen whatsoever. They are currently being acclimated into my new 125g display! The fish I treated are:

1 Black Perculla Clown
1 Orange Perculla Clown
1 Blue Regal Tang
1 Flame Angelfish
1 Purple Firefish

Here is a link to my build thread if your interested:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1994912

Thanks for all the advice! It helped alot.

Nate:bounce3:
 
Next time try Formalin Dip. Also use it on all new inhabitants before they go in Hospital Tank for two week inspection. Your 29 gallon may have stressed out fish due to indefensible territories.
 
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